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Macintosh Classic II, FPU / Math Card (Picture)

great news.

a 50 pin scsi cable will connect right to the fpu port(pin for pin) , now all i have to do is make a pinout trash 80 style, get 2 caps, and solder the wires to a fpu.

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Uniserver, have you had a chance to try this yet? It sounds like a simple enough build that even I could pull it off, so I’m really eager to hear about your results.

 
I haven't sent the motherboard and video card for you yet, but if you get one working I would love one, that and your greyscale se30 mod }:)

 
Sure, sounds good. It’ll make a good project to show the SRCS in the new year. One slight hiccough in the plan, though — does anyone have a compatible 68882 to lend to the effort? I’ll be happy to mail it back afterwards (I have enough caution to solder to a socket, not the chip), but I haven’t any idea what clock speed or what version of the physical package I need. Most VLSI chips came in numerous package types and I’ve no idea where to look for information about it now that this decades-obsolete stuff is getting to be left behind by Freescale’s website. I’ll ask locally too, of course, but I do not anticipate anyone having one (there are few if any Motorola hardware hackers at our meetings just now).

 
Bah, that’s what I get for posting before doing my homework. Turns out the things are only $6 each on Fleabay (with $2 sockets) and any that was ever sold will work just fine in a Classic II, what with its feeble 16MHz bus (no 68882s slower than that were ever sold). The only thing to watch is that if I ever do up a proper design and turn these things into a saleable product I need to stay away from the FN-marked PLCC version. It isn’t lead-free-standards compliant.

I will keep you all posted on my progress. Do not expect great rapidity.

 
Faster fpus will work fine. I bought and put in faster fpus in my color classic. It's a lot like ram in that respect, you can go faster , just not slower. I'll look and see if I have any 68882's around.

 
Still hoping someone can lend a 68882 to the effort. I can probably afford the $2 socket, but $10 for the chip+shipping is a bridge too far at this point (more needed for groceries and gas). Anyone out there feeling helpful?

 
I am pretty sure if someone wants to take a 50 pin scsi cable. cut it and just solder the wires to an fpu socket, then you will have a home brew FPU for your Classic II.

 
...A bit off topic for the 'FPU card' side of it, but AFAIK the expansion slot on the Classic II also handles the external ROM slot as well (up to 1MB IIRC).

If you're designing a board at all, why not include the potential future ROM upgrades by including a ROM socket as well?

I'd love to see a "IIsi" style ROM for the CII in the future... ;)

 
...A bit off topic for the 'FPU card' side of it, but AFAIK the expansion slot on the Classic II also handles the external ROM slot as well (up to 1MB IIRC).
It’s actually 2–3 MiB, varying according to a jumper on the motherboard. The Classic II can have up to 4 megs of ROM, and the jumper determines whether 1 or 2 of those megabytes are on the motherboard.

If you're designing a board at all, why not include the potential future ROM upgrades by including a ROM socket as well?
I'd love to see a "IIsi" style ROM for the CII in the future... ;)
Well, yes, that’s exactly what I’m working towards. See earlier posts in this thread.

 
Do you have one yet?
Shipping is a bit prohibitive from/to Canada but I can dredge one up and send if need be.
Alas, I haven’t had a whisper. And while I am grateful to you for volunteering to lend one of yours, I agree that Canuckistani postal rates are prohibitively expensive. I don’t know the detailed fee schedule but it’d likely be more expensive even than buying one from a US source on Fleabay and putting my address as the destination.

One thing I can say is that any 68882 at all will work — the FN-marked ones may be a problem to resell in a finished product due to RoHS rules, but that hardly matters for a prototype.

 
I am pretty sure if someone wants to take a 50 pin scsi cable. cut it and just solder the wires to an fpu socket, then you will have a home brew FPU for your Classic II.
Broadly correct, but you’d likely want to kludge a decoupling cap or two as well. When you add in the ROM socket on top of that, a real board starts to look like a good idea.

 
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