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Mac Classic II + External CD Drive

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Futureman

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Argghhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Breath in...

I've got a Mac classic II for just one application, just the same way that I got a Mac IIsi for the same application, but I just can't get it to see the external yamaha CD drive.. I've also got another CD drive, but it won't see that either.

I have an application called "SCHUZZY" which shows the 'yamaha cdr 200t drive' and a few options including 'mount drive'

Pressing 'mount drive' lets the drive whir for a bit, but then nothing. (The CD drive works fine as a friend uses it regularly)

The SCSI CD drive is terminated, and i've set it's id to 3.

I'm running Mac OS 7.0.1, and this is the only mac i've got (except for the Mac IIsi)

This is SERIOUSLY doing my head in.. As this application (Sound designer) will only work with my old sampler (Emulator II) on an old mac.

Please please help with my sanity.

please.

please.

 
Argghhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
Breath in...

I've got a Mac classic II for just one application, just the same way that I got a Mac IIsi for the same application, but I just can't get it to see the external yamaha CD drive.. I've also got another CD drive, but it won't see that either.

I have an application called "SCHUZZY" which shows the 'yamaha cdr 200t drive' and a few options including 'mount drive'

Pressing 'mount drive' lets the drive whir for a bit, but then nothing. (The CD drive works fine as a friend uses it regularly)

The SCSI CD drive is terminated, and i've set it's id to 3.

I'm running Mac OS 7.0.1, and this is the only mac i've got (except for the Mac IIsi)

This is SERIOUSLY doing my head in.. As this application (Sound designer) will only work with my old sampler (Emulator II) on an old mac.

Please please help with my sanity.

please.

please.
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sometimes, third party cd players, can cost you your sanity..

try re installing the driver.....etc

do you have a apple external cd player ?

[8] [8]

 
excuse my ignorance, but where would I get drivers for this?

I got some drivers, and took them from my PC to the mac, (They were .SIT) and after i converted them to mac format (with the PC conversion tool) to stuffit format, the stuffit program said they were corrupt or they were made with a newer version of stuffit.

So where would I get a newer version of stuffit? I've googled around, but they all seem new versions

When i get the drivers, where do they go?

(Sorry, I'm a complete mac noob, but slowly feeling my way around)

I'm thinking about purchasing a mac SCSI External CD drive, i'm guessing that is much more likely to work?

Much thanks.

Mike

 
try this:

CD Sunrise

It's supposed to be a universal CD-ROM Driver, and it is designed to REPLACE the Apple CD Driver. So if you put the CD Sunrise driver in, take out apple's driver

 
Apple made a universal CD-ROM driver which is a little better than CD-Sunrise if you can get it to work. Definitely try both, but the Apple one can read more formats of CDs or something. You can download it here:

http://www.macdrivermuseum.net/disk.shtml

Install 5.3.2 first, then overwrite the extension with the 5.3.1 version.

Also, if you have a bootable CD, like a System Software CD, you can insert it, restart (not booting from it), and often times it will magically make the CD-ROM work until you shut down.

 
CD Sunrise works with just about anything. It's also tiny. The only tradeoff is audio CD support (you get none). If nothing else, it's useful as a diagnostic tool. Fewer things to track down if you have problems.

If audio support is important to you, then by all means use v5.3.1 -- it's the last Classic-compatible free version from Apple that supports third-party drives. As the previous post says, you can make a hybrid installation with 5.3.2 (to get additional functionality).

 
Thank you all for your help, but alas my mac has turned up it's toes and given me the "Checker board" of death screen.

I'm going to source a torq driver to open it up, and check for any obvious faults (Leaky caps + corroded battery )

I'm ok at fixing things (Well, I own analogue synths, which def comes with the territory) but any pointers would be great!

I'm guessing that this is a common problem (lots of posts relating to repairing mac classic II's) but to your experienced ears, does this sound like an power supply problem or something else?

Much regards

Mike

 
Indirectly, it is a power supply problem of a kind. The electrolytic capacitors that serve as power supply bypasses leak and wreak havoc. The conductive goo by itself causes problems, and the degraded bypassing compounds the badness.

Open 'er up, carefully and fully clean off the goo and replace the capacitors. That will likely fix the problem.

 
Done, and fixed!

I made a tool out of an allen key and with a dremel, ground out the edges so that it fitted into the torx screws.

then i chopped of the other end of the allen.. drilled a hole into a small bar, and stuck the allen in there so I had made a long torx driver.. then stuck that in a cordless drill, and voila!

I took out the digital board, removed the ram and battery (Which is dead, so i'll replace that) and gently washed the whole board with a bit of window cleaner & lots of water... let it dry, then finished drying it off with a hairdryer.

My Mac still has a oscillating high pitch whine to it... like a police siren... sometimes it goes away.. has anybody heard of this before? i'm guessing maybe the analogue board is sick?

Anyway, back to getting the SCSI to work again!

 
Congrats on getting it open and washed!

You didn't explicitly say that you replaced any capacitors, so I'll assume that you didn't. That would explain the whine -- if one of the failed/failing capacitors is in the audio circuit, it can cause various noises. Replacement is the cure. If you're lazy, you can stick a plug into the external speaker jack; that will disable the internal speaker. As long as the noise isn't being emitted by something other than the audio driver, that stopgap measure will silence the beast.

But long term, you'll need to replace the capacitors.

 
Yea, I figured that the whine was due to caps.. (all to familiar with audio circuits)

It's not offensive, so i'll tackle it later.

I'm thinking of putting a clean install of 7.0.1 or whatever would be the most recent OS that this machine can handle..

...other conflicts (aside from the lack of SCSI) are proving difficult to get around.

The software I'm trying to get working uses the printer or modem port to communicate with the sampling keyboard (Emu Emulator II) but it is failing to properly handshake.

The cable is fine + software + keyboard (I've used it on another Mac IIsi and that was fine)

I'm now thinking its some sort of driver (They are called extensions on this mac yes?) conflict.

so...If i own a PC, how do I go about

a- Getting the OS

b- Installing it on the Mac

I'll google away, but as before, any tips would be great.

 
Instructions for getting software from a PC to a Mac can be found at

http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/pc2mac.html

Although 7.6.1 is indeed a fine OS, it isn't free, and doesn't really offer much for that model beyond 7.5.5. Apple offers the latter as a free download (install 7.5.3 first, then upgrade):

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/

Finally, problems aren't always fixed by using the latest OS. Indeed, sometimes it's the "upgrade" that causes them. If the manufacturer of those peripherals has recommended a certain OS version, I'd start there. Apple offers several versions of System 6 and 7 for free (just fish around the parent directories of the link above).

 
ok...

so i got the disk images for 6.0.8 (I thought i might start low)

but my mac is saying that 6.0.8 is to low an OS for this computer.

I downloaded the 7.0.1 OS (Binary) from the apple site, but it's approx 4Mb+, and I don't understand how i'm to get this to span across more than 1 disk.

I'll keep plugging away in the mean time....

(Thanks for your help so far)

 
Apple made a universal CD-ROM driver which is a little better than CD-Sunrise if you can get it to work. Definitely try both, but the Apple one can read more formats of CDs or something. You can download it here:
http://www.macdrivermuseum.net/disk.shtml

Install 5.3.2 first, then overwrite the extension with the 5.3.1 version.
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I've got a bit of a chicken or the egg sort of thing going on here... looks like I need a newer version of 'stuffit' to extract these.. I've got 1.5.1 on my Classic II...

But all the Stuffit versions to download are self extracting, and these get corrupted if I touch them with my PC... arghhhh.

 
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