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Lisa Sales Presentation Video
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Wow, awesome music. This guy can make a cool computer seem like the dullest crap ever made. I'd be considering CP/M after watching this bore. 
This was Apple's "bore them into thinking it's a business machine" strategy.
I like how the screen refresh on the Lisa is slow enough that it looks perfect on a poorly encoded old video.
Fun stuff.
This was Apple's "bore them into thinking it's a business machine" strategy.
I like how the screen refresh on the Lisa is slow enough that it looks perfect on a poorly encoded old video.
Fun stuff.
OK, can we at least change the subtitle for this forum from: "Not really 68K Macs, but certainly Vintage!" to something else then if we're going to keep the Lisa here? I mean, the Lisa DID have a 68000 Motorola chip in it!
Frankly, almost anybody still using a Lisa is most likely running it as a Macintosh XL anyway, which clearly makes it a 68K Mac. The fact that it can run Lisa OS as well as Macintosh OS, makes it no different than an LC with an Apple II card that can run PRO-DOS.
Frankly, almost anybody still using a Lisa is most likely running it as a Macintosh XL anyway, which clearly makes it a 68K Mac. The fact that it can run Lisa OS as well as Macintosh OS, makes it no different than an LC with an Apple II card that can run PRO-DOS.
lisa project seems quite cool even for today standards. I don't know a program that's as easy to use for os x that does the same thing.
Exactly. It more or less makes sense on a 68K oriented forum to lump the Lisa in with everything pre-Macintosh since it has very different issues until you start using it as a Macintosh XL, in much the same way I guess the LC would until you start using it as an Apple ][ and then post appropriately. After all the PowerPCs have their own section in the Forums.
My point is more that the Lisa is EXACTLY 68K as well as being vintage. So, leave it grouped with the Apple IIs, but don't say it isn't 68K in the sub-heading!
In fact based on general structure of the Forums, I would say the Apple II should have a section along the lines of the "PPC Model Forums" section. Maybe "Pre-68K Model" Forums. Leave Lisa where it is under 68K Macs.
Might as well, eventually there's going to have to be an "Intel Model Forum" as those models become vintage ... what's the going time to determine vintage these days? Three, four years? Probably when the AppleCare coverage expires.
I would say vintage is over 10 years old really. Basically when 'modern' tasks are difficult to do on a machine.
It's obviously difficult to draw a line.
Is 9 yrs 360 days not vintage but 10 years and one day is?
In my personal collection nothing exceed 1994, that is 13 years from today. And even then, there's only one item that goes beyond 1991.
The only exception is my 1998 iMac, but I wouldn't consider that vintage.
It's obviously difficult to draw a line.
Is 9 yrs 360 days not vintage but 10 years and one day is?
In my personal collection nothing exceed 1994, that is 13 years from today. And even then, there's only one item that goes beyond 1991.
The only exception is my 1998 iMac, but I wouldn't consider that vintage.
Maybe it would be better to break off the Apple /// and Lisa into their own section since they were Apple's business machines. The Apple /// really doesn't belong with the II line because it's backwards compatibility was broken and was a completely different architecture, in the same way the Lisa/Mac XL's Mac compatibility isn't perfect and it is very different inside from the Mac. Both were also insanely expensive in their day compared to the II and the Mac. Of course, since so few people own ///'s and Lisa's these days, it would probably turn out to be a dead forum. Maybe just moving the Lisa into the compact Macs section would be more appropriate.
Actually the Lisa's emulation of the Mac was very very close. What it lacked was sound and this was due to the lack of hardware that supported proper sound.
There actually was a sound card for MacWorks, but I'm not sure how close it was to the Mac's.
Only applications that did not follow Apple's guidelines would fail on the Lisa. These usually did stupid things such as assume the size of the display. Those would also later fail on the Mac II's, or Mac's with updated display cards - such as that weird SCSI display card.
Speaking of which, there was a SCSI card for the Lisa from SunRemarketing.
If you had a Lisa with the SCSI and Sound options, you had a very capable Mac.
Also don't forget that a lot of the technology for the Mac came right out of the Lisa. For example QuickDraw. These machines are far more related than they're different.
The two big differences are that the Lisa was really a workstation, and unlike the Mac, it was open. That is you could expand it. The Mac was very much a closed system.
There actually was a sound card for MacWorks, but I'm not sure how close it was to the Mac's.
Only applications that did not follow Apple's guidelines would fail on the Lisa. These usually did stupid things such as assume the size of the display. Those would also later fail on the Mac II's, or Mac's with updated display cards - such as that weird SCSI display card.
Speaking of which, there was a SCSI card for the Lisa from SunRemarketing.
If you had a Lisa with the SCSI and Sound options, you had a very capable Mac.
Also don't forget that a lot of the technology for the Mac came right out of the Lisa. For example QuickDraw. These machines are far more related than they're different.
The two big differences are that the Lisa was really a workstation, and unlike the Mac, it was open. That is you could expand it. The Mac was very much a closed system.
