ISPs discontinuing dialup support for Classic Mac OS?

[LCGuy]

So as I think I've posted here before, I can't convince my LCIII to connect to teh intarwebs via my dialup ISP (yes, I know, I know) for love nor money. Anyway, just today I decided to haul out the 1400 and try connecting with it, which worked fine a year ago. (and I haven't touched the dialup settings since then)

It works fine up until it tries starting the network protocols, when it does the same thing as my LCIII - it says that a reliable connection could not be established and thus the link is terminated. Keep in mind, said 1400 is running Mac OS 9.1, and is using the Remote Access software that comes with OS 9.

Just makes me wonder...is there a chance that they could have done something that makes classic Mac OS have a hiccup and die? They haven't actually supported anything below OS X for years, but as of I think even 8 months ago I was still able to connect via OS 9 and have it work perfectly.

 

[Danamania]

I've found since about 2002 that most ISP I'd tried wouldn't handle any dialup connections under 28.8k. Dingoblue was the last one I could use to connect at 2400bps, just for a lark to reminisce the old days.

Know what speed your modems are gaining carrier at, before being disconnected?

 

[LCGuy]

On the LCIII I think it was connecting at about 42k, which is with a 56k modem. On the PowerBook I use a 33.6k PCMCIA modem, and I think it connects at about 32kish. Its just strange, because I know I've connected at speeds as low as 19.2k on Windows PCs (granted, thats PCs running Windows XP), and its worked fine, if very slow.

 

[barana]

So as I think I've posted here before, I can't convince my LCIII to connect to teh intarwebs via my dialup ISP (yes, I know, I know) for love nor money. Anyway, just today I decided to haul out the 1400 and try connecting with it, which worked fine a year ago. (and I haven't touched the dialup settings since then)
It works fine up until it tries starting the network protocols, when it does the same thing as my LCIII - it says that a reliable connection could not be established and thus the link is terminated. Keep in mind, said 1400 is running Mac OS 9.1, and is using the Remote Access software that comes with OS 9.

Just makes me wonder...is there a chance that they could have done something that makes classic Mac OS have a hiccup and die? They haven't actually supported anything below OS X for years, but as of I think even 8 months ago I was still able to connect via OS 9 and have it work perfectly.

find out what protocols the isp uses to connect. eg if they use ms chap it wont be good. 2.in ot let the stack verbose log so u can find out where it fails . modify _a.t._ string to suit. 3. no satisfaction? there r a couple of isps in brizzie that have a nationwide dial in with only web support- appart from first connection issues. their servers

 

[barana]

r all running unlimited accounts so u don't get leftovers. lizzy is one of them. ten dollars a month. if u cant connect they refund ur money i i r c. of

 

[barana]

i have found their server to be flexible, but never connected with mac t c p or ot. pm me if i can be of help.

 

[Scott Baret]

In August 2001 I logged onto AOL with a Mac Plus running AOL 2.7. I was able to send and receive e-mail, check weather and stocks, and even created a new screen name in the process. I used a 28.8 modem (Zoom brand) and found the experience to be quite good (even in terms of speed). The following month I got a Color Classic and put the Plus in storage for a while. When I tried to sign on again the following summer it wouldn't work from the Plus, saying I needed at least AOL 3.0 (which doesn't work on even the most souped-up Plus).

That being said I would imagine dialup support for OS 9 and pre-G3 machines will be gone by the end of 2010 across the board. I'm surprised AOL even was able to connect me in 2001.

 

[Unknown_K]

Who supports dialup these days? Netzero I think still advertizes for $9.95 a month, do they support mac?

 

[porter]

Who supports dialup these days? Netzero I think still advertizes for $9.95 a month, do they support mac?

What does "support mac" mean? A dialuo ISP should provide standard PPP according to the RFCs. If so it should not matter what OS it is.

I dislike ISPs that expect you to start putting extra crap on your own machine just to assist with connection, or have such a dumb help desk that when you talk about PPP negotiation and secrets they think you are talking Swahili.

 

[barana]

@porter

yeah bro i agree! seems they r the majority tho.

@all

broadband in australia is pretty scarce unless u live in a major population center. do u have broadband available to u lcguy? ie do u live in town?

 

[II2II]

barana makes the point quite well: even though barana is speaking English, I can barely understand what is being said. I would imagine that something quite similar is happening here: even though a RFC defines what PPP should look like, there are often extensions or bugs. If noone tested it against old Macs, noone would no if the two implementations can communicate or not.

 

[LCGuy]

find out what protocols the isp uses to connect. eg if they use ms chap it wont be good. 2.in ot let the stack verbose log so u can find out where it fails . modify _a.t._ string to suit. 3. no satisfaction? there r a couple of isps in brizzie that have a nationwide dial in with only web support- appart from first connection issues. their servers

Hmm, now that you mention it, I think they do use MS-CHAP. For the record my ISP is Dodo. About a year ago I used to connect via the 1400, and had no troubles at all.

By the way porter, I hear you on ISPs that expect you to infect your machine with their crapware...its especially annoying when you get ISPs like Telstra who insist on you putting a whole heap of crap on your machine for an "always on" ADSL connection, with which all you need is a machine that supports DHCP!

For the record, I live on a farm, so no ADSL for me...as it is I have enough trouble getting dialup!

 

[barana]

barana makes the point quite well: even though barana is speaking English, I can barely understand what is being said. I would imagine that something quite similar is happening here: even though a RFC defines what PPP should look like, there are often extensions or bugs. If noone tested it against old Macs, noone would no if the two implementations can communicate or not.

Thankyou. [] ]'> Were you refering to my shortening of words due to mobile phone (over)use, or technical-like terms such as OT (open transport)?

 

[LCGuy]

I think he was referring to you shortening words due to the fact you were on your phone. Most people on here assume that everyone uses a computer to access the forums...i'm guilty of the same crime on IM.

 

[barana]

How did u go LcGUY?

success?

 

[LCGuy]

Haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet, most likely won't until the weekend.