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Correct Uniserver. I use the adapter pictured here from another thread on this forum and it only cost me about $1.50 with free shipping: https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/23406-booting-from-a-compact-flash-drive/&do=findComment&comment=243936
The CF > SD adapters with computer chips on it used for buffering are not needed and slows down the CF and the machine. A lot of these will not even work on a Mac. But some adapters I seen (the one on Amazon Rick uses a couple posts under that link) has a transistor on it which looks like a voltage regulator. I can only guess why it is there. But he had problems with it and went with the one I have which has no electronics on it.
Again, it just shows that not all adapters will work on a Mac, even with CF.
And NJRoadfan. A lot of CF will write slow. Most of it is because of the size of the blocks it needs to write. For me I found an increase in writes if you shut down Virtual Memory. I understand why Virtual memory is needed but I never liked it as it slows down the machine and hogs up the hard drive. For OSX I also shut down most of the logging that the system goes through. But if you are going to shut down VM, you need to max the Mac's RAM as much as possible. It helps out a lot.
OH!!! Almost forgot!
CF Adapters that allows 2 CF to runs as separate IDE drives (one Master, one Slave) will not work on the Macs! Even if you leave the other slot empty, it will not work! They do work on PCs but for some reason not Macs. Using them on a Mac, you get a grey Boot Screen and the system just hangs there. No death Chimes, nothing!
I have to say that since it will not work on Dual CF Adapters, it will also not work on dual SD Adapters (adapters that allow one to use 2 SDs on a single card). This is a problem with the Mac's IDE implementation, not of the device.
The CF > SD adapters with computer chips on it used for buffering are not needed and slows down the CF and the machine. A lot of these will not even work on a Mac. But some adapters I seen (the one on Amazon Rick uses a couple posts under that link) has a transistor on it which looks like a voltage regulator. I can only guess why it is there. But he had problems with it and went with the one I have which has no electronics on it.
Again, it just shows that not all adapters will work on a Mac, even with CF.
And NJRoadfan. A lot of CF will write slow. Most of it is because of the size of the blocks it needs to write. For me I found an increase in writes if you shut down Virtual Memory. I understand why Virtual memory is needed but I never liked it as it slows down the machine and hogs up the hard drive. For OSX I also shut down most of the logging that the system goes through. But if you are going to shut down VM, you need to max the Mac's RAM as much as possible. It helps out a lot.
OH!!! Almost forgot!
CF Adapters that allows 2 CF to runs as separate IDE drives (one Master, one Slave) will not work on the Macs! Even if you leave the other slot empty, it will not work! They do work on PCs but for some reason not Macs. Using them on a Mac, you get a grey Boot Screen and the system just hangs there. No death Chimes, nothing!
I have to say that since it will not work on Dual CF Adapters, it will also not work on dual SD Adapters (adapters that allow one to use 2 SDs on a single card). This is a problem with the Mac's IDE implementation, not of the device.
Sorry fellas, Dual CF Adapters do not work on Macs. Never did. And I do not know why either though the problem lies with the Mac IDE Controller. Like I said on the last post, even if you only use 1 slot and leave the other empty, it will not work. You will get a blank grey screen after the bong and it will just hang there.
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I just finished my work for my first semester of law school. I cleaned off my desk yesterday and cataloged a bunch of stuff including basically all my flash media. I'm going to go make shelves for my closet to stack (like with bookends, vertically) various Powerbooks. Then I'm going to start doing more systematic tests of all my flashmedia; and I think I'm also going to get a dual-flash adapter to test the theory that Macs won't read them. On hackbooks I think that can't possibly be true; on Powerbooks, I don't know.
I think Hap boots all his machines weekly. I try for monthly at least. The hard drives are the big thing; you don't want them sticking.
Would somebody please send me a copy of patched Drive Setup or refer me to a tool that will work better than regular Drive Setup for trying to read/format these things? Or refer me to anywhere online where there's a ready-patched version. I cannot patch it myself. Referring me to the patch instructions will not be so helpful. Likewise Silverlining and SCSI Probe are obviously not that helpful.
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Thanks very much.
I actually gave up and installed 7.6 to a virtual drive via Sheepshaver (literally finished as I was seeing this - I had to tab to the forum with keyboard because sheepshaver restricts mouse movement). I'm going to use Transmac to restore it to an SD card using a USB cardreader on my desktop. I've never tried that before; I'm curious.
But I need Drive Setup patched more generally. Thanks again.
I actually gave up and installed 7.6 to a virtual drive via Sheepshaver (literally finished as I was seeing this - I had to tab to the forum with keyboard because sheepshaver restricts mouse movement). I'm going to use Transmac to restore it to an SD card using a USB cardreader on my desktop. I've never tried that before; I'm curious.
But I need Drive Setup patched more generally. Thanks again.
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If I had to guess, the problem with the SD > IDE adapter was a cable issue. It booted although the build itself doesn't seem to work. Got an error type 10.
And then it recognized perfectly once disk tools had started. I must have had a cable issue the first time I tried it also. Seems there's no issue using SD to IDE adapters.
And then it recognized perfectly once disk tools had started. I must have had a cable issue the first time I tried it also. Seems there's no issue using SD to IDE adapters.
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I use 2-sided tape for a "permanent" set up. The two sided foam tape, not the thin clear one used in gift wrapping.
Use 2 or 3 pieces to make sure the solder contacts on the back side you are taping is covered. You do not want it shorting out against the metal casing. The HD Casing would be a great place for it.
Use 2 or 3 pieces to make sure the solder contacts on the back side you are taping is covered. You do not want it shorting out against the metal casing. The HD Casing would be a great place for it.
Great news to hear! Hope you resolve it soon!
(Sounds like a formatting/partition issue - a 1.7GB partition is what older Macs with older systems like.)
Is it possible that OS 8 at some point won't boot properly (or let's say might not) if formatted with HFS - or (I assume) vice versa, pre-OS 8.1 won't boot properly if formatted with HFS+.
Presuming the option remains default, my setup with 8.5.1 formats as HFS by default. And 7.6(.1?) I installed and booted (sort of); whereas whatever probably 8.5/9 and possibly 8.1 didn't. But 8 might not have worked either. I'll try 7.5.something next.
Presuming the option remains default, my setup with 8.5.1 formats as HFS by default. And 7.6(.1?) I installed and booted (sort of); whereas whatever probably 8.5/9 and possibly 8.1 didn't. But 8 might not have worked either. I'll try 7.5.something next.
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Using an emulator may cause odd behavior. Why? Because many of them do some pretty bizarre things in terms of storage, like presenting disk images as giant floppy disks to the emulated system instead of real hard drives. Generally a classic MacOS hard drive has an Apple Partition Map layout with a driver partition for the controller you are using followed by data partitions. Drive Setup is supposed to install it when a drive is initialized, but emulators may trip it up.
What versions of Drive Setup are you trying? You should be able to patch 1.x under an emulator using ResEdit although I would give un-patched 1.7.3 a shot first.
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.7.3.smi.bin
Also, I would stick to SD cards 8GB and under. Apple's IDE implementation is more brain dead then you think. Somehow the PC specific Int 13h limit of 8.4GB shows up in early Apple IDE hardware. It may be flipping out dealing with a larger drive (variables are likely overflowing)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage/LdK3lWqVFGw
What versions of Drive Setup are you trying? You should be able to patch 1.x under an emulator using ResEdit although I would give un-patched 1.7.3 a shot first.
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.7.3.smi.bin
Also, I would stick to SD cards 8GB and under. Apple's IDE implementation is more brain dead then you think. Somehow the PC specific Int 13h limit of 8.4GB shows up in early Apple IDE hardware. It may be flipping out dealing with a larger drive (variables are likely overflowing)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.hardware.storage/LdK3lWqVFGw
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yeah - HFS+ will not work on 8.0 or before, they require HFS. From 8.1 to 9.22, HFS+ is needed if you are using a Hard drive larger than 2GB.
NJRoadFan is right, Apple's IDE implementation is really brain dead and this affects machines up to the G4 Laptops (up to the G3 Blue&White Tower with desktops).
NJRoadFan is right, Apple's IDE implementation is really brain dead and this affects machines up to the G4 Laptops (up to the G3 Blue&White Tower with desktops).
Fully agree.They work in old Amiga 1200 immediately, but never in my PowerBooks.
I also tried a microSD to Compact Flash adapter, whereas the microSDs can be formatted on a PC, they didn't work PROPERLY in PowerBooks (and Amiga 1200): always read/write errors later on.
BTW: interesting thread!
You bought 100 CF's? Damn! Depending on the system, it might not fit on 128MB. I know System 7 will not fit on 64Megs without some trimming of the system and removal of a lot of extensions and control panels. I have 3 PCMCIA flash memory cards as emergency boot disks if the hard drive fails on some of my laptops.
The PCMCIA Cards is like this (I seen SanDisk make up to a 1.2GB Unit):
The CF > PCMCIA Adapter (works with most CF's I tried, though the CFs have to be properly partitioned and formatted):
On most Mac Laptops, I find that the PCMCIA boots faster than on the IDE, even with the same CF Cards. This is because the PCMCIA is connected directly to the Databus while the IDE has to go through a series of buffers that slows things down.
You can check out this link, it was for a 1400 > CF/IDE set up and I helped out with a few details:
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/23406-booting-from-a-compact-flash-drive/page-2&do=findComment&comment=244873
The 5300 and others set up the same way.
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