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Hyperdrive System Software Disk 2
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I'm scanning the dealer kit's install manual right now. It starts at page 13, but from what I can tell, it has all the relevant information for installation. I'm guessing pages 1-13 were probably taking the bucket off and getting the motherboard out, and the guy didn't need those pages because he's done it a million times.
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Here's the Dealer Install Manual. It's incomplete as mentioned above, but it looks like all the important information is still there.
Dealer Install Manual.pdf.zip
Dealer Install Manual.pdf.zip
A quick update: disks received on Friday - thanks so much, oldappleguy! I was able to image almost all of them without issue. The majority were imaged in DiskCopy 4.2 without a hitch; two threw errors, but I was able to image them with DiskDup, and they seem usable. Only one disk has resisted every attempt at imaging (in fact, no machine I have tried recognizes it as a Mac disk). Sadly, it's the oldest of the lot (the only pre-V2 copy of Disk 1 - there is also one pre-V2 copy of Disk 2 that did image correctly). I will keep trying, but I suspect it is a goner. MacTools sees nothing but zeros on it. I haven't tried the Kryoflux yet, though.
Anyway, I'll be uploading soon, but I wanted to take a bit more time to sort out which disk goes with which set before archiving in a permanent form. Versions range from V2R1 and V3R1 to FX/20 and FX/F1 (I don't even know what F1 means, but it seems to be the most recent of the lot). Just wanted to report on progress.
Anyway, I'll be uploading soon, but I wanted to take a bit more time to sort out which disk goes with which set before archiving in a permanent form. Versions range from V2R1 and V3R1 to FX/20 and FX/F1 (I don't even know what F1 means, but it seems to be the most recent of the lot). Just wanted to report on progress.
A quick look suggests that your V2R1 (two disks) and V3R1 (three disks) are nearly identical to the ones I got [nearly = I only noticed differences in the modification dates] - not surprising, since mine were also handmade copies. Then again, some of the commercially labeled disks I got had clearly been upgraded or even overwritten at some point, so it's hard to distinguish.
Case in point, I have a "commercial" disk that looks identical to V2R1 Disk 2, except that its contents are mostly files from V3R1 + some font files that are not duplicated on other disks. I labeled that one V3R1 Fonts; it must have been user-created.
I have something of an obsession with reconstructing the contents of "original" disks, and it is ASTONISHINGLY hard to do for disks before about 1987. It's very clear that everyone back then used to rewrite their commercial disks all to heck. I guess, after hard drives became more common, the temptation to use/update/overwrite commercial master disks must have subsided.
I think I've got most of these straightened out, just need to compress and upload.
Case in point, I have a "commercial" disk that looks identical to V2R1 Disk 2, except that its contents are mostly files from V3R1 + some font files that are not duplicated on other disks. I labeled that one V3R1 Fonts; it must have been user-created.
I have something of an obsession with reconstructing the contents of "original" disks, and it is ASTONISHINGLY hard to do for disks before about 1987. It's very clear that everyone back then used to rewrite their commercial disks all to heck. I guess, after hard drives became more common, the temptation to use/update/overwrite commercial master disks must have subsided.
I think I've got most of these straightened out, just need to compress and upload.
I'm the exact same way with floppy disks. I want them to be exactly how they were as if someone bought it brand new from the store.
My V3R1 disks were obviously hand made copies, so I used the V2R1 disks that I knew were originals and modeled the V3R1 disks after them, making sure the icons and window positions were exactly the same.
Since I had managed to take a screen shot of my bad V2R1 disk 2 and new what it looked like brand new, I was able to verify that the disk oldappleguy sent me was, indeed, unmolested.
I have a few games where the disks had errors and I couldn't archive them, so I downloaded the copies off Macintosh Garden or some such and recreated the disk from scratch as exacting as I could.
Hooray for obsessiveness! :lol:
My V3R1 disks were obviously hand made copies, so I used the V2R1 disks that I knew were originals and modeled the V3R1 disks after them, making sure the icons and window positions were exactly the same.
Since I had managed to take a screen shot of my bad V2R1 disk 2 and new what it looked like brand new, I was able to verify that the disk oldappleguy sent me was, indeed, unmolested.
I have a few games where the disks had errors and I couldn't archive them, so I downloaded the copies off Macintosh Garden or some such and recreated the disk from scratch as exacting as I could.
Hooray for obsessiveness! :lol:
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Great work guys! You are awesome! 
Now I can get my 30 years old Macintosh 512k with hyperdrive back to live, as soon as I fixed the internal 400k drive!
Now I can get my 30 years old Macintosh 512k with hyperdrive back to live, as soon as I fixed the internal 400k drive!
OK, here goes!
To explain a bit, the disks arrived all in a jumble stuffed into two disk boxes (oldappleguy said he couldn't read many of them on his 128K, so he just sent me everything that looked relevant - thank you!!), so I had to do a bit of figuring to put them in order.
First of all, I locked all the disks and imaged them in DiskCopy 4.2, so the contents of the images are the disks exactly as they came to me. Then I renamed the images (that is, the modern wrapper, not the disk on the inside, which still has its original title) and organized them in folders in what I think was the order of their release. I've attached the 400K disks in one bundle and the 800K disks in another. Stuffed with Stuffit 3.5.
One additional bundle is a set of 400K disks that I recreated from my own working Hyperdrive. This computer, which contained files loosely organized in a folder, came to me without install disks, so I used the various disks here as a guide to figure out which files went on which disk, and recreated three install disks to use if my machine ever goes down. My files seem to represent the 5.1 version (Feb 86) of the original release, which preceded the release of V2R1 in March 86. This is the "V1_recreated" upload.
As far as I can work out, the version history for the early versions was:
Sept 85 - original release of the HyperDrive and its system software (V1 Disk 2 seems to belong to this version; Disk 1 sadly is the one that remains obstinately unreadble)
Feb 86 - 5.1 update of original release (running on my unmodified 512K)
Mar 86 - V2R1, provided support for HFS, but with some limitations explained in version doc
Aug 86 - V3R1, presumably a more stable release for the Plus
V3R2 and the various FX versions followed, but I haven't studied all of those closely.
I'll follow this up with a comment to attach photos. I don't want to clutter this post with my sixteen photos (can't zip them up because the post editor says they're too big!). Eventually I want to make proper archival scans of the disks, but that always seems to take me forever.
Included were a batch of "Backup Disks" which did not contain HyperDrive related files, but rather copies of applications that must have been on the original owner's drive. I imaged them, but haven't uploaded them (I can, if anyone wants them, but I think the applications are mostly to be found on Macintosh Garden). I did however make a scan of one of the labels, in case olePigeon wants to add to his label collection.
Let me know if you see any problems or want more details. I'll be out most of today, but wanted to get these up. They'll go up on Macintosh Garden eventually as well.
400K_images.sit.hqx
800K_images.sit.hqx
V1_recreated.sit.hqx
To explain a bit, the disks arrived all in a jumble stuffed into two disk boxes (oldappleguy said he couldn't read many of them on his 128K, so he just sent me everything that looked relevant - thank you!!), so I had to do a bit of figuring to put them in order.
First of all, I locked all the disks and imaged them in DiskCopy 4.2, so the contents of the images are the disks exactly as they came to me. Then I renamed the images (that is, the modern wrapper, not the disk on the inside, which still has its original title) and organized them in folders in what I think was the order of their release. I've attached the 400K disks in one bundle and the 800K disks in another. Stuffed with Stuffit 3.5.
One additional bundle is a set of 400K disks that I recreated from my own working Hyperdrive. This computer, which contained files loosely organized in a folder, came to me without install disks, so I used the various disks here as a guide to figure out which files went on which disk, and recreated three install disks to use if my machine ever goes down. My files seem to represent the 5.1 version (Feb 86) of the original release, which preceded the release of V2R1 in March 86. This is the "V1_recreated" upload.
As far as I can work out, the version history for the early versions was:
Sept 85 - original release of the HyperDrive and its system software (V1 Disk 2 seems to belong to this version; Disk 1 sadly is the one that remains obstinately unreadble)
Feb 86 - 5.1 update of original release (running on my unmodified 512K)
Mar 86 - V2R1, provided support for HFS, but with some limitations explained in version doc
Aug 86 - V3R1, presumably a more stable release for the Plus
V3R2 and the various FX versions followed, but I haven't studied all of those closely.
I'll follow this up with a comment to attach photos. I don't want to clutter this post with my sixteen photos (can't zip them up because the post editor says they're too big!). Eventually I want to make proper archival scans of the disks, but that always seems to take me forever.
Included were a batch of "Backup Disks" which did not contain HyperDrive related files, but rather copies of applications that must have been on the original owner's drive. I imaged them, but haven't uploaded them (I can, if anyone wants them, but I think the applications are mostly to be found on Macintosh Garden). I did however make a scan of one of the labels, in case olePigeon wants to add to his label collection.
Let me know if you see any problems or want more details. I'll be out most of today, but wanted to get these up. They'll go up on Macintosh Garden eventually as well.
400K_images.sit.hqx
800K_images.sit.hqx
V1_recreated.sit.hqx
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And here are the photos.
Note on the one that looks like a V2R1 disk but is labeled in the photo "V3R1 Fonts" - this is the disk I mentioned in an earlier comment that seems to have had its contents overwritten at some point.
ETA: hm, uploading the photos seems to have stripped the files of the titles I carefully gave them. Oh, well, they're in order, and I'll see if I can share them in a better fashion later.
Note on the one that looks like a V2R1 disk but is labeled in the photo "V3R1 Fonts" - this is the disk I mentioned in an earlier comment that seems to have had its contents overwritten at some point.
ETA: hm, uploading the photos seems to have stripped the files of the titles I carefully gave them. Oh, well, they're in order, and I'll see if I can share them in a better fashion later.
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What was the name of your V3R1 Hypertools disk? Mine was a copy as well, and it had a weird naming scheme.
I'm wondering if it was labeled "HyperDrive System 3" or if it was "HyperDrive System Tools" as I had guess on my copy, or if it was "HyperDrive HyperTools." Yours actually has a label.
Also, could I get scans of the HyperDrive FX diskette labels? I'd like to add them to the collection.
I'm wondering if it was labeled "HyperDrive System 3" or if it was "HyperDrive System Tools" as I had guess on my copy, or if it was "HyperDrive HyperTools." Yours actually has a label.
Also, could I get scans of the HyperDrive FX diskette labels? I'd like to add them to the collection.
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Mine is just called "HyperTools," although the handwritten label specifies "System Software HyperTools." It had nothing on it except the HyperTools application and a copy of System/Finder.
I'm a bit puzzled by HyperTools. I have not found any copies with a creation date earlier than Aug 86, which is the date of the V3R1 update, and it may have been issued as a third/separate disk along with that update. But there is a copy of HyperTools on my HyperDrive computer (likewise dated Aug 86), which otherwise doesn't have any V2 or V3 files. I don't know if the V3R1 update document has any explanation of it, I haven't gotten that far.
OlePigeon, did you mention that you had a full user manual as well as the partial dealer's manual you already scanned? Could you scan the user's manual? I'm curious about what might be in it.
(Will work on those additional label scans ASAP.)
ETA for geeks: OlePigeon's mention of usenet led me to do a search for hyperdrive + multifinder, from which I wandered off into the wilds of the InfoWorld archives.
From InfoWorld articles in 1985, it appears that the HyperDrive 10 was released in Mar 85. At that time the promised utilities such as Backup were not yet available (and still not available when the system was reviewed in May 85). The Manager icon resembled a bulls-eye and was directly installed onto the Startup drawer of the volume at installation - easy enough, since the drive had to be dealer-installed.
The HyperDrive 20 started shipping in Sep 1985. A review in December mentions that the Backup and other utilities shipped on "the 3.5 disk that comes with the HyperDrive" - this makes me wonder if the very earliest units only had one floppy with supporting utilities, assuming that the dealer would install the Manager and system software on the Startup drive during the installation process. At this point, the version of the Manager was updated and had a different icon (a set of file drawers with a hand). This may have been Manager Version 2.2.
Research continues...
[incidentally, re: the usenet discussion, if the discussion I found was the same one OlePigeon was reading, they were talking about Finder 6.0/System 4.2 (not System 6 as we know it). One poster seems to have heard a rumor about MultiFinder, but another says his V3R2 system doesn't have MultiFinder. I can't recall when MultiFinder was first introduced - was it System 5?]
From InfoWorld articles in 1985, it appears that the HyperDrive 10 was released in Mar 85. At that time the promised utilities such as Backup were not yet available (and still not available when the system was reviewed in May 85). The Manager icon resembled a bulls-eye and was directly installed onto the Startup drawer of the volume at installation - easy enough, since the drive had to be dealer-installed.
The HyperDrive 20 started shipping in Sep 1985. A review in December mentions that the Backup and other utilities shipped on "the 3.5 disk that comes with the HyperDrive" - this makes me wonder if the very earliest units only had one floppy with supporting utilities, assuming that the dealer would install the Manager and system software on the Startup drive during the installation process. At this point, the version of the Manager was updated and had a different icon (a set of file drawers with a hand). This may have been Manager Version 2.2.
Research continues...
[incidentally, re: the usenet discussion, if the discussion I found was the same one OlePigeon was reading, they were talking about Finder 6.0/System 4.2 (not System 6 as we know it). One poster seems to have heard a rumor about MultiFinder, but another says his V3R2 system doesn't have MultiFinder. I can't recall when MultiFinder was first introduced - was it System 5?]
