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Help needed- getting on the Internet (lan card)

mraroid

mraroid

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Hi folks...

The analog board for my color classic came back after a recap, and I
have re assembled my color classic.  It appears to work just great.  I
am running 7.5.3 on a Color Classic II logic board.

I bought a Lan card and it came with software from Farallon.  I
installed the card, plugged in a ethernet cable (going to my router)
and booted.  I installed the Farallon software (V2.3).  After that I
rebooted.  I ran the test program that came with the Farallon card,
and all tests came out OK.

I have a 10 disk set of software called "Apple Internet Connection
Kit".  I installed that next.  It has a program in it that will test
your internet connection.  However the program seems to only look for
a modem, not my ethernet card.  I am unable to find a way to make it
switch looking for a modem, but look for my Lan card.

I went to control panel, and found the Network icon.  It was set to
"Local Talk Built in", and I switched it to "Ethertalk".  But that did
not help anything.  When I launch Netscape 3.0, it keeps looking for a
modem.

I do have the software to upgrade from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5, but I have yet
to install it.

Can any one give me any tips on how to get on the internet?

Thanks

jack

 
Is the CCII connected to the router? It needs to be connected for the chooser to get and keep the connection. Also, there should be a "Network" control panel (If not in System 7.5.3, then in System 7.5.5), set that to Ethernet. Then with the broswer, you should be able to connect to the internet.

 
Thanks for the help Elfen.  Yes, the ethernet cable plugged into the back of my Color Classic is plugged into my router.  I can take the same cable and plug it into my blu ray player and stream Netflix, or plug that same cable into the back of my PC and my PC will connect to the internet.  So I know I have a good connection up to that point.

Yes, I have a Network icon in control panel.  It will let me make only one of two choices.  It's default was "Local Talk Built in".  My other choice is "Ethertalk".  So I switched it to Ethertalk, and then re booted.  That did not help.

Would upgrading from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5 give me more LAN support?

I can not figure out what to try next.

jack

 
Do you have either TCP/IP or MacTCP in your control panels?

The "Network" control panel is for changing which network your AppleTalk is on, not for getting on the internet.

 
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Thank you OlePigeon.  Yes, I do have a TCP/IP icon in control panel.  I guess I will move Appletalk back to it's origional settings....

jack

 
lots of these old NIC's for what ever reasons they have issues grabbing a DHCP address. you can try to set a manual address in TCP/IP.

 
What options do you have in the Appletalk pane?  Is TCP/IP actually enabled (normally when you enter and then quit the pane - albeit in OS 8 - you have to enable**) and can you see anything in that pane?  [i may be misremembering a failed attempt to import control panels into System 6 on my SE, but isn't Network not actually essential to setting up networking - somewhat counterintuitive to the name?]

I'll confess the earliest I've used was 7.6 but it's similar to 8/9, and in my experience they are pretty much plug-in play although I don't have a third-party card.  However, once the card works, the actual setup shouldn't be that hard.  Appletalk should be enabled and I think set to some ethernet setting (though that may be in Network).  TCP/IP has to be enabled and should show some indication of a DHCP server - otherwise what uniserver said might apply and it might have trouble actually being assigned an IP by the DHCP server.

** I just made my PM  7100 a dual-boot 7.6/8.5 machine.  Let me go verify the bulk of what I just said.

 
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I was not misremembering, but I'm not sure what of this exists in 7.5 (I'd guess all of it, but I honestly forget).  I booted to 8.5, restarted into 7.6.  I plugged the AAUI to Ethernet adapter in and it lit up (thankfully suggesting it's plug-and-play).  I plugged the ethernet cable in and opened the AppleTalk Control Panel.

1) Select "Ethernet" in the AppleTalk Control Panel.  Save when closing.

2) Open TCP/IP Control Panel, activate it (click yes when opening).  Make sure "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server" are selected (the latter, unless you want to manually configure as uniserver mentioned).

3) You should be on the internet... I'm trying to get a browser to verify that - I don't know how to ping from Classic Macs.

** I had to reboot to OS 8.5 to try to grab a 7-compatible browser (pending)

 
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Yeah but the first thing I noticed was the absence of mention of the AppleTalk Control Panel.  (Sorry this whole time I've been trying to get a browser for 7.6.1 via downloading from 8.5 - but all of System7Today's browsers except IE5 seem to be bad .sit/.hqx.  That may be my machine, always hard to tell.)

So what I described above should work assuming the DHCP server can assign an IP address.  I've also never had that problem - including with very complicated setups that didn't work (but still correctly assigned IP).

 
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(lol if you're lolling at the page, I tried to use the Register Mac OS link when I first installed 8.5 months ago... no effect.)

 
Also, just a follow-up thought, mraroid, I don't have a Network Control Panel on my 7.6.1 install.  I remember that being something optional.  Hmmm, but Wiki says Ethertalk was a standard released in 87 with the Mac II (and possibly SE) that included a Network Control Panel that allowed selection of built-in Localtalk or Ethertalk.  So you probably have to select EtherTalk if you plan to connect to an AppleTalk network via the ethernet card.  (Ethernet is built into the PM 7100.)

LEM says EtherTalk was just Apple's name for AppleTalk over Ethernet (which is what I had been remembering).  Let us know what happens.

 
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Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.  I will fire up the Color Classic after my first cup of coffee and give it a go.

In my house, I have a modem from Comcast.  It plugs directly into a Linksys/Cisco wireless/wired access node.  It has 4 ethernet ports on the back.  As I understand it, the the access node will do DHCP  downstream and toss a fake net address from each of the 4 ethernet plugs in the back.  I think I can run a "ipconfig" command from a dos prompt on a PC and see what address it is tossing me.  In the Cisco, each port has a small green led that lights up once something (like a computer, like my blu-ray player that streams movies from the internet, etc) is connected.  The lamp turned green in the Cisco once I installed the network card and Farallon software in the Color Classic.


I will report back this morning after my tests.

Thanks so much.

jack 

 
Hi folks....

I sure appreciate all of the help.  I have made progress!!  Yea!  But can not seem to make Netscape 3.0 go any place.  However, it is trying.

Just a quick recap -  With the Farallon network card installed, I get a green light on the network card in my Color Classic.  When I run the test program with the Farallon software, everything comes back as Test OK.  In another test program with the Farallon software it says:

EtherMac LC-TP

Type: Ethernet - csmacd
Max MTU= 1,500
Speed = 10Mbps
Physical Address = 00:00:C5:18:00:7C
Admin Status = Up
Operational Status =Up

This is what I have done:

1) In control panel, I have a network icon.  I have set it to LocalTalk Built in.

2) I also have a MacTcp icon. I open it, then click on "More", and I come to a second screen.  My choices (among many) are:

Obtain Address Manually
Server
Dynamically

The first time I tried it I, I chose Manual.  I then wrote in my default gateway IP address and entered in the IP address of the subnet mask.  I have a bunch of other selections that I have no idea what they are are, or what they do.  For example, on the right hand side of the screen I can select Class A, B, or C

After I rebooted, I found a program on my Color Classic called Mac Ping.  I launched it and it said my TCP setting were wrong.  So I re booted and changed the settings in TCP to "Dynamically".  When I did this, it populated the fields with the correct default gateway IP address and correct subnet mask IP address.  I had to change the A, B and C setting to C in order to make it write out the entire sub net mask IP address.  I rebooted.

I launched Netscape.  It did not error out as before and try to dial out on a phone line. Netscape 3.0 has a URL in it already and it is http://alck.apple.com I received this error message from Netscape:

"Netscape in unable to locate server http://alck.apple.com. The server does not have a DNS entry.  Check the server name and location (URL) and try again"

So, I typed in: http://www.google.com

I received the same error message as above.  It seemed that no matter what I type in I receive the same error message.

I read both URLs that were posted.  I am unsure of the correct setting in my Network icon. Do I want it set for LocalTalk Built in?

I feel like I am really close.  I printed out all my network data after a "ipconfig" dos command on a PC.  I used the same network cable in my Color Classic to obtain this information. 

Could it be that 7.5.3's TCP icon wants the IPv4 IP address (the IP address Comcast is sending to my modem), and not the DHCP  IP address that my access node is tossing down stream?  I do not think this is true.

I feel like I am 90% home.  I just have some settings set wrong I believe.  But I do not know what. 

any more suggestions? 

Thanks again for all the help.  I am very close now!

jack

 

 
My suggestion would be the enumerated list I wrote out above.

("1) Select "Ethernet" in the AppleTalk Control Panel.  Save when closing.

2) Open TCP/IP Control Panel, activate it (click yes when opening).  Make sure "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server" are selected (the latter, unless you want to manually configure as uniserver mentioned).")

If you hadn't done those things, you weren't really on the internet.  Selecting Built-in Localtalk means you're telling your machine to send AppleTalk traffic through your printer port... (or modem port or whatever).  You're not even trying to get onto an AppleTalk network though.

Also if you have a TCP/IP Control Panel, MacTCP shouldn't be relevant (I don't know if someone wants to correct me there).  I've only encountered MacTCP and MacPPP when trying to connect to the internet on System 6.

 
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