Edit Posts?

[LCGuy]

This is a forum, not a newspaper. Your posts should not have to be set in stone. This is also not USENET. It is a forum, with software capable of letting users edit their posts at any time. We should be able to take advantage of this feature.

Thats a bit like saying, "I have a car that is capable of being driven at 200 km/h. I should be able to take advantage of that feature." Don't be stupid.

At the end of the day...it is up to 68kMLA administration to determine how the forum is run...if you're not happy, you're free to go elsewhere, but I think you'll find that most other forums are moderated a lot more heavily than this one. I see users do quite a few things that, if they even thought about it on other forums I go to, would see them being banned for life.

 

[Mike Richardson]

Thats a bit like saying, "I have a car that is capable of being driven at 200 km/h. I should be able to take advantage of that feature." Don't be stupid.

So you're saying that the ability to edit posts past 60 minutes is comparable to driving a car at 200 km/h?

You actually can physically take advantage of that feature if your car has it. It just happens that doing so is illegal almost everywhere. I never understood why vehicles capable of going faster than 150 km/h are street legal anyway.

However, the ability to edit posts past a 60 minute interval doesn't place any lives in jeopardy, is not illegal in most of the world (I don't know Iran's position on this), and is actually a convenient feature prevalent in forum software almost since the invention of forum software. One of the earliest systems, YaBB had this feature at least as far back as 2000. The feature to impose a time limitation before you can no longer edit is actually a feature that came much later.

At the end of the day...it is up to 68kMLA administration to determine how the forum is run...if you're not happy, you're free to go elsewhere, but I think you'll find that most other forums are moderated a lot more heavily than this one. I see users do quite a few things that, if they even thought about it on other forums I go to, would see them being banned for life.

There are no other forums which focus on this particular group of topics. In addition, the barrier to entry to create a new comparable forum is too high (most users are complacent with the forum and would not consider an alternative). Therefore, 68kMLA has a monopoly. There are no other forums, because I don't wish to discuss any other topics.

I used to be active on DBSTalk.com. I posted there for a few years. Ownership changed and the new guys stuck ads everywhere including Intellitxt links and even pop-ups. I made one thread about it expressing my disappointment and was permanently banned.

So, compared to DBSTalk, yes, 68kMLA is a lot better. That doesn't mean we have to shut up while new rules are imposed. It's actually more the reason to speak up and try to prevent 68kMLA from becoming the totalitarian forum that DBSTalk is now.

 

[LCGuy]

So you're saying that the ability to edit posts past 60 minutes is comparable to driving a car at 200 km/h?

You actually can physically take advantage of that feature if your car has it. It just happens that doing so is illegal almost everywhere. I never understood why vehicles capable of going faster than 150 km/h are street legal anyway.

However, the ability to edit posts past a 60 minute interval doesn't place any lives in jeopardy, is not illegal in most of the world (I don't know Iran's position on this), and is actually a convenient feature prevalent in forum software almost since the invention of forum software. One of the earliest systems, YaBB had this feature at least as far back as 2000. The feature to impose a time limitation before you can no longer edit is actually a feature that came much later.

My point is...yes, the system does support it, just like how some cars are capable of being driven at 200 km/h. But does that mean that that feature should be used? No.

At the end of the day, the world is not a perfect place, nor are the people in it perfect. If it were, we wouldn't need mods, just like how we wouldn't need police.

 

[luddite]

(most users are complacent with the forum and would not consider an alternative).

The people have spoken with their apathy... Gob bless democracy!

Therefore, 68kMLA has a monopoly.

I don't think the 68KMLA could be accused of being anti-competitive, so really that's just not relevant. Besides, Jag's House is still going strong...

For the record, if the rules do change to allow perpetual editing I'm going to change all of my posts so it looks like I was for it all along }

...furthermore, I'm curious: if I edit this post, does the 1 hour counter get reset?

 

[Cory5412]

I believe either TL or LCGuy mentioned this, but if you need to edit something (i.e. to edit a link, or if 100% necessary to change your trading post listing, then there are a few of us available on a regular basis who are able to help you out.

 

[Mike Richardson]

My point is...yes, the system does support it, just like how some cars are capable of being driven at 200 km/h. But does that mean that that feature should be used? No.

The ability for cars to drive at 200 km/h should not be utilized because it is dangerous to yourself and others. Comparing this to editing your own posts past a 60 minute interval is ridiculous.

A better comparison would be if the forum had the ability to allow you to edit other users' posts. This feature could be used maliciously and would certainly cause anarchy. I would agree with disabling this feature.

The ability to edit your own post past 60 minutes does not cause anarchy. It has limited malicious use.

What if remaining in a toilet stall longer than 5 minutes were made illegal, because they determine that 1 out of every 50 people who stay in a stall longer than 5 minutes is actually doing drugs? Do you think that will really stop drugs? No. All it will do is piss off a bunch of people with diarrhea.

Does limiting the edit window to 60 minutes really stop a malicious activity that was seriously affecting these forums? No. All it has done is piss off a bunch of people.

 

[Mike Richardson]

I believe either TL or LCGuy mentioned this, but if you need to edit something (i.e. to edit a link, or if 100% necessary to change your trading post listing, then there are a few of us available on a regular basis who are able to help you out.

I don't need my mom to drive down and help me every time I need to wipe my ***. I shouldn't need a moderator to edit my own post.

 

[LCGuy]

As I said, don't be stupid Mike. "Keep it Civil" does extend beyond the Lounge, to all parts of the 68kMLA.

 

[macgeek417]

Editing posts is a privlige, not a god-given right. learn to live with it.

 

[Mike Richardson]

As I said, don't be stupid Mike. "Keep it Civil" does extend beyond the Lounge, to all parts of the 68kMLA.

I'm allowed to be stupid. I don't recall that being banned. My analogy was crass but self-censored. You could actually place any three letter word there in the asterisks you like. For example, you could insert the word "cat". I do not need my mom to wipe my cat.

Editing posts is a privlige, not a god-given right. learn to live with it.

It's neither a privilege or a right. It's a useful feature which has been removed to resolve a problem when there really was not a significant problem to begin with.

 

[LCGuy]

Mike, you don't really have any "right" to be stupid, or any "rights" at all, just like with the restaurant analogy that Cory was making earlier. The internet is a public place, yes, and this forum can be seen by anyone, in the same way that anyone standing on the street can look through the window of the restaurant and see you, and even photograph you. And being able to post on the forum at all is a privilige, let alone being able to edit posts, and as the people who run the joint, we reserve the right to relieve you of that privilige at any time, in the same way that your ISP reserves the right to cut off your Internet access, were you to breach their AUP.

 

[Mike Richardson]

Mike, you don't really have any "right" to be stupid

Please show me where I said that I had a right to be stupid. I said I'm allowed to be stupid, because the act of stupidity isn't banned on this forum.

And being able to post on the forum at all is a privilige, let alone being able to edit posts, and as the people who run the joint, we reserve the right to relieve you of that privilige at any time

I don't consider posting here to be a privilege or a right. It's merely a capability. I have no expectation that I will be able to continue to post, or edit posts, or perform any other functions here now or in the future.

 

[LCGuy]

Mike, you don't really have any "right" to be stupid

Please show me where I said that I had a right to be stupid. I said I'm allowed to be stupid, because the act of stupidity isn't banned on this forum.

And being able to post on the forum at all is a privilige, let alone being able to edit posts, and as the people who run the joint, we reserve the right to relieve you of that privilige at any time

Posting here is neither a privilege or a right. It's merely a capability which exists for me. I have no expectation that I will be able to continue to post, or edit posts, or perform any other functions here now or in the future.

By saying you're allowed to be stupid, you're saying you have a right to be stupid, which clearly you don't.

And a "capability which exists for you" is by definition a privilige.

 

[Mike Richardson]

By saying you're allowed to be stupid, you're saying you have a right to be stupid, which clearly you don't.

I'm allowed to post about Macintosh LC computers in the appropriate subforum. That doesn't mean I have a right to post about Macintosh LC computers in the appropriate subforum.

And a "capability which exists for you" is by definition a privilige.

Breathing is a capability which exists for me, at least until death. Does that make it a privilege?

 

[LCGuy]

This is where it just gets stupid. Thread closed.