I'm putting a barter package together for one of the comrades. I'm looking for any way to improve on this package, considering the fact that SCSI MicroDocks, EhterDocks and MiniDocks w/ethernet are in short supply, if not unobtanium. TIA
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Duo 2300c <-> 3400 bridge to Ethernet/ Internet
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I and, presumably, a lot of other people have similar problems. Here's some things I have done:
- serial to phonenet to ethernet as you suggest. Works great for appletalk, but needs another machine to do a macip -> ethernet bridge.
- serial to another machine, and do ppp over the serial link. Works OK. Kind of annoying to setup, and of course is wired. Not that great for a portable machine.
- modem to dialup into a white UFO airport extreme. Works OK, and was less annoying to setup. It required an extra device between the modems though. And is also wired. I've looked for wireless POTS extenders that are modem friendly, but everything I've found has odd (and frequently AC) power requirements that are not easily obtained from a duo, which makes the wireless part not so helpful.
Things I've been contemplating:
- serial to BT adapter with a serial profile that can then to ppp to another BT enabled machine. Still annoying to setup, and limited range, but wireless! Depending on your smartphone/PDA/whatever capabilities, you may be able to do a ppp BT gateway in a convenient mobile setup.
- serial to wifi dongles. This is probably more limiting, but if telnet works then you should be able to use rz/sz to receive/send files. Plus, anything worth doing is doable on an 80x24 vt100 emulator anyway.
Frustratingly, all those require other machines at some level.
I also totally fail at bbcode trying to make that a formatted list.
- serial to phonenet to ethernet as you suggest. Works great for appletalk, but needs another machine to do a macip -> ethernet bridge.
- serial to another machine, and do ppp over the serial link. Works OK. Kind of annoying to setup, and of course is wired. Not that great for a portable machine.
- modem to dialup into a white UFO airport extreme. Works OK, and was less annoying to setup. It required an extra device between the modems though. And is also wired. I've looked for wireless POTS extenders that are modem friendly, but everything I've found has odd (and frequently AC) power requirements that are not easily obtained from a duo, which makes the wireless part not so helpful.
Things I've been contemplating:
- serial to BT adapter with a serial profile that can then to ppp to another BT enabled machine. Still annoying to setup, and limited range, but wireless! Depending on your smartphone/PDA/whatever capabilities, you may be able to do a ppp BT gateway in a convenient mobile setup.
- serial to wifi dongles. This is probably more limiting, but if telnet works then you should be able to use rz/sz to receive/send files. Plus, anything worth doing is doable on an 80x24 vt100 emulator anyway.
Frustratingly, all those require other machines at some level.
I also totally fail at bbcode trying to make that a formatted list.
Is PhoneNet faster than a straight printer (null modem) cable network connection?
I figured the handshaking protocols would make PhoneNet sl0wer for a single Mac to single Mac config. :?:
I figured the handshaking protocols would make PhoneNet sl0wer for a single Mac to single Mac config. :?:
I haven't really paid much attention (slow is slow), but afaik phonenet is going to be faster with a theoretical maximum around 230kbps. Depending on what you're connecting to, you'll probably end up with a 115200 baud connection with a null serial link. Assuming you could get an equivalent speed null serial connection, the overhead of ppp and any other encapsulation will probably have a great deal to do with what exactly you're doing. My suspicion is for IP traffic, the overhead of macip through a gateway is going to be both lower bandwidth and higher latency than ppp to a modern machine (for an equivalent speed link). AppleShare is a different story.
I think I only synced up at 115200 baud. I don't worry too much about speed when using 15yr old gear.
I think I only synced up at 115200 baud. I don't worry too much about speed when using 15yr old gear.
Wasn't there a thread about getting compacts on the web by similar means?
Yes, yes there was
bbraun, I'm gonna take a wild guess here that Trash is looking to maximize this bundle without spending any more money on devices - ie, software solutions. Given that serial is the only port available on the Duo, that means Localtalk/Appletalk or some other serial protocol are pretty much it.
Any reason you couldn't run ppp on the 3400?
bbraun, I'm gonna take a wild guess here that Trash is looking to maximize this bundle without spending any more money on devices - ie, software solutions. Given that serial is the only port available on the Duo, that means Localtalk/Appletalk or some other serial protocol are pretty much it.
Any reason you couldn't run ppp on the 3400?
Bingo!!!! [
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There should be no speed difference between PhoneNet and a printer cable - tis just a different physical carrier for the exact same network protocol, LocalTalk.
Speaking of half remembered threads, though: Overclocking AppleTalk
Speaking of half remembered threads, though: Overclocking AppleTalk
Here's one which is actually Duo-based. It requires having a unix-like OS at the other end, though. That would be possible on a 3400 (thus OS X via XpostFacto, LinuxPPC, unofficial Ubuntu-PPC, YellowDog, NetBSD, etc), or it may give some clues towards making it happen with OS 9.
Adventures in Networking a Powerbook Duo.
other links:
PB180 online via LocalTalk?
Mac 128k, BBS & Internet?
Netatalk and an SE/30?
An idea: TCP/IP to serial bridge (modem emulator)
Mac ED FTP server via SLIP
Mac M0001 on the internet!
Gracias, compadre! [] ]'>
While we were on the subject of sticky threads . . . (in another thread) . . . what does therest of the gang think of creating sticky threads that are related link compendia based upon subject, just like this listing?
That'd make for less searching by having members search-n-post their results for the rest of the gang . . .
. . . besides keeping the first page of any given forum becoming a glut of stickied threads.
] ]'>While we were on the subject of sticky threads . . . (in another thread) . . . what does therest of the gang think of creating sticky threads that are related link compendia based upon subject, just like this listing?
That'd make for less searching by having members search-n-post their results for the rest of the gang . . .
. . . besides keeping the first page of any given forum becoming a glut of stickied threads.
It's not a bad idea. Some of those above are already stickied, I think, and I've been sticky-ing a few others as I come across them. I agree though that we don't want to overdo it.
/eta/ Alternatively, we could look at extending our FAQ with some of the Questions that are Frequently Asked around here, or creating a single, topic-relevant FAQ sticky post in each forum.
/eta/ Alternatively, we could look at extending our FAQ with some of the Questions that are Frequently Asked around here, or creating a single, topic-relevant FAQ sticky post in each forum.
