Booting SE/30

[techknight]

I'm beginning to really pull my hair out. ready to start smashing things.

I am in a bit of a pickle. since no machine besides this SE/30 that i own has a floppy drive, i got issues.

I have an apple SCSI external CDrom. the machine will try to boot my apple legacy CD but fails, as its 7.6.1 and it will not boot wiht that.

So i have tried 50000 different ways to make a bootable classic CD with earlier software versions. AND NONE WILL BOOT. I simply made a copy using Disk Utility of a bootable disk, and reburned it to find it not bootable. already burned several coasters. only thing i have is my trusty ibook, and of course, no floppy drive.......

No matter what i try, i cannot make a bootable CD for the life of me. i tried disk copy in OS9 to make a blessed system 7.5, and yes it did bless, locked the image, then rebooted back into OSx and converted to CD master and burnt that, and yep, another coaster. The BasiliskII emulation will boot every CD that i make, but a REAL MAC will NOT... it will boot factory CDs yes, but crash since its an older system. So i know its not an issue of the machine being able to boot CDs.

Then i tried Toast 6 which is the only version i have. following instructions around the web, there is no bootable CD. but i tried to burn it anyway, and yeap... you guessed it.. another coaster. lol.

HELPPPPPP any ideas?

 

[JRL]

Unfortunately, you're in a catch-22. You can't boot directly from the CD like that; you need an actual boot floppy.

 

[Unknown_K]

If you have a newer mac go find a USB floppy drive and then download OS 7.01 or 6.08 disk images from Apples website.

Or just buy OS disks on ebay.

You eventualy have to spend a couple dollars for stuff to get old machines running.

 

[techknight]

booooooooooo..... NOT what i was wanting to hear......

theres no sound either. now its a cost weigh thing. weather to fix it to toss it...

 

[porter]

If you have a newer mac go find a USB floppy drive and then download OS 7.01 or 6.08 disk images from Apples website.

You can't make 800k disks (which is what System 6 and 7.0.1 are) using standard USB floppy drives. You will need to format the disks as 1440k disks, mount the disk images and transfers the contents.

 

[JRL]

If you really want, I can send over copies of System 6.0.4/6.0.8/7.1/7.5 boot disks to you.

You only really need a bootable system disk with the Apple CD-ROM driver.

 

[Mac128]

Get your boot floppies here. Always good to have one handy with a classic Mac.

 

[JDW]

weather to fix it to toss it...

Perhaps you meant to say, "whether to fix it or to donate it"? To toss (i.e., trash) a fixable vintage Mac the likes of an SE/30 is truly sacrilege.

 

[Mars478]

True that!

 

[techknight]

Well, i dug out my old miniscribe drive which i was able to hook in place of the CDrom and to start up the machine.

i fixed the system folder on the internal drive which caused it not to startup, it just needed "blessed" but there are numerous problems with the drive though, so i definately have to reformat it.

So, i hooked the CDrom back up and powered up the machine. this machine has FWB CD-ROM toolkit installed, which handles the CD drive i guess.

it seems that EVERY CD that i burned on the ibook with toast or with disk utility, this machine keeps picking the disc up as "unreadable by this machintosh, initilize macintosh 700mb. of course it cant. haha. so it ejects it.

But if i stick in REAL mac CDs like my OSX disk or OS9 disk or burned copy of OS8 whcih was made on a PC years ago using bit copy. it will pick those up just fine and dandy.

This could be the main reason why the SE/30 aint booting from the disks im making, heck the OS dont even recognize it. Funny thing is, the emulation picks up and wroks wtih the disks fine. tells me its not "true" emulation then, at least of the drivers and drives.

any ideas?

 

[Mac128]

any ideas?

First I assume you are selecting HFS not HFS+. You also have to make sure the partition map is legacy as well. In Toast there is a tick-box which must be selected in order to make the disk bootable. Not sure about Disk Copy, or others. As I recall this was a pain at the time and likely still is.

Emulators have a significant amount of leeway in what they allow you to map because they are not using an actual disk drivers, but a substitute which allows you to use whatever devices are on your machine, most of which can read numerous formatting the machine won't. The emulator still uses the data authentically. However, Basilisk II which doesn't exclusively emulate specific hardware, unlike Mini vMac which will not let you run any software the real machine won't.

If you haven't already done so, make sure you make some backup floppies with the proper CD drivers in it should this ever happen in the future.

 

[techknight]

All i have is toast 6 and the bootable option is gone unfortunately. trying to locate a copy of toast 5 but no such luck.

 

[JDW]

weather to fix it to toss it...

Perhaps you meant to say, "whether to fix it or to donate it"? To toss (i.e., trash) a fixable vintage Mac the likes of an SE/30 is truly sacrilege.

I stand corrected. Based on this post, it would appear that "toss" was indeed the word intended. :O

 

[protocol7]

All i have is toast 6 and the bootable option is gone unfortunately. trying to locate a copy of toast 5 but no such luck.

You can find Toast 4 and 5 at Macintosh Garden.

 

[techknight]

weather to fix it to toss it...

Perhaps you meant to say, "whether to fix it or to donate it"? To toss (i.e., trash) a fixable vintage Mac the likes of an SE/30 is truly sacrilege.

I stand corrected. Based on this post, it would appear that "toss" was indeed the word intended. :O

yea.. i was mad that day.. sorry. hehe.. Me?? hurt a mac?? NAAAA..... }

anyway.. .i think the hard drive is bad but I not sure. I got it started up, trying to install system 7.5 and it keeps giving me an error occured while trying to complete the installation, instalation aborted, no changes to disk error...

Dont know why though. that sucks becuase the drive inside is a quantum 800mb.

 

[porter]

Dont know why though. that sucks becuase the drive inside is a quantum 800mb.

(a) termination?

( B) low-level format?

 

[techknight]

yea its terminated. the computer was making some pretty darned loud high pitched "squeek" sound that was ear peircing. then it would quit. This would fade in/out a few seconds to a minute at random intervals with periods of hours in between when the noise re-appears.

i am thinking the head is crashing against the platter now.

I just did a full init in patched SC setup, and it went through no errors....

 

[techknight]

weather to fix it to toss it...

Perhaps you meant to say, "whether to fix it or to donate it"? To toss (i.e., trash) a fixable vintage Mac the likes of an SE/30 is truly sacrilege.

I stand corrected. Based on this post, it would appear that "toss" was indeed the word intended. :O

yea.. i was mad that day.. sorry. hehe.. Me?? hurt a mac?? NAAAA..... }

But, the color classic I own, thats a different story. I got pretty close to destroying it but i never did. cannot locate a replacement analog board. it is bad.

 

[billynomates]

You can make and burn CDs that are at least readable by an SE/30 (but probably not bootable), using Transmac on a PC.