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Scott Baret

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Nothing too exciting unless you're me and get excited over everything...

USB floppy drive. White, matching the newest Macs. Works great. Looks like it was never even used. Went into service this evening on the iBook G4.

 
They're slow, yes (as are all FDDs), but they're still handy sometimes, for example when transferring files between a new Mac and an old PowerBook.

 
They're slow, yes (as are all FDDs), but they're still handy sometimes, for example when transferring files between a new Mac and an old PowerBook.
Zips are much better though, faster and of course a lot larger - if my Scsi one turns out to be functional then I don't think I'll bother with floppies again! :)

On the subject of floppies and OS X though, has anyone tried that floppy driver for OS X for Macs' internal floppy drives? I didn't risk it as I thought it might be some hacky thing that made OS X unstable. Though I'm not sure about my G3s floppy drive anyway - it refused to read some disks in OS9 and wouldn't format them either.

 
Yeah, but they're not much use if neither your PC (or new Mac) nor your PowerBook have a click-click drive. :p

 
I'd imagine there still are a few. But i know i got mine brand new and it only lasted 18 months...i was ANNOYED.

 
Gentlemen. Let me introduce to you the latest in floppy drives. It's called a LAN. Ethernet leaves Sneakernet in the ditch.

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Let me introduce to you the latest in floppy drives. It's called a LAN.
:D True...though it's not always easy to get the older Macs networked - I have had trouble getting them to play nicely with my router, though I've also got a wireless bridge now which I'm going to try them with when I get the chance, and also there doesn't seem to be any way to get Windows/OS X to talk to Classic Macs. How would you, for instance, get a file from Windows Vista to Mac OS 9.1 by ethernet?

 
I didn't realise that there were white floppy drives matching the new Macs. The one I have is a blue & white one which matches the B & W G3 or Bondi iMacs. Got it free from University, the Computer Science department got rid of a load a while ago and was giving them to anyone who wanted one.

 
... True...though it's not always easy to get the older Macs networked ... and also there doesn't seem to be any way to get Windows/OS X to talk to Classic Macs. How would you, for instance, get a file from Windows Vista to Mac OS 9.1 by ethernet?
Of PC/Mac networking I know nowt, and even less about software to enable networking with current OSs for PC. There may or may not be current programs of the like of DAVE in existence.

But old Macs in a LAN? No doubt. But for poking in a DB-9/MiniDIN-8 cable and switching on, I am at the point of dragging even my 512Ke/System 6.0.8 into my LAN. True, it needs LocalTalk/Ethernet (LT/EN) and SCSI/Ethernet (EN/SC) adapters and 10Base-T hubs to drag some of them in, but it's happening, from iMac CRT/OS 10.4 down to Classic II/System 7.5, even as we speak ...

Tiger needs that older Macs call it over TCP/IP, and it won't call them back, but a one-way connection is all that is needed. For older Macs again with only AppleTalk, it's a two-hop process from super-oldie to oldie to Tiger. Miles faster, and still more reliable than FDD/floppy as intermediary.

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But old Macs in a LAN? No doubt. But for poking in a DB-9/MiniDIN-8 cable and switching on, I am at the point of dragging even my 512Ke/System 6.0.8 into my LAN.
Does this special cable go from the Localtalk port to standard ethernet then?

True, it needs LocalTalk/Ethernet (LT/EN) and SCSI/Ethernet (EN/SC) adapters and 10Base-T hubs to drag some of them in, but it's happening, from iMac CRT/OS 10.4 down to Classic II/System 7.5, even as we speak...
Yes, I can see that with plenty of expensive equipment it could be possible - with just standard ethernet cables, home router and AAUI transceivers it seems harder though. Having also read the other topic where this is being discusses, is it never possible to connect an old Mac to any 100baseT router/switch etc without a 10baseT switch inbetween, or does it depend on your router? I did successfully connect my PB520 to the 100baseT network here at uni once - why would that have worked when it didn't work on the 100baseT router at home? If none of my older Macs will connect to my wireless bridge, that's really annoying - is even the 6100 too old to connect directly to 100baseT?

Tiger needs that older Macs call it over TCP/IP, and it won't call them back, but a one-way connection is all that is needed.
So does that mean that ethernet file sharing from Tiger to Classic Macs is possible? How would you go about setting it up?

 
On the subject of floppies and OS X though, has anyone tried that floppy driver for OS X for Macs' internal floppy drives? I didn't risk it as I thought it might be some hacky thing that made OS X unstable. Though I'm not sure about my G3s floppy drive anyway - it refused to read some disks in OS9 and wouldn't format them either.
I tried it on my Beige G3 with Panther, and it did seemingly nothing. The internal floppy still refused to work.

 
Does this special cable [a DB-9/MiniDIN-8 cable] go from the Localtalk port to standard ethernet then?
Not directly. I mentioned the necessary intervening AsantéTalk LT/EN adapter in the next para, and that has to be used. The DB-9 plug is necessitated by the ports (printer and modem) of the 128-512K Macs.

Yes, I can see that with plenty of expensive equipment it could be possible - with just standard ethernet cables, home router and AAUI transceivers it seems harder though.
Expensive is a relative concept. I have one LT/EN and two EN/SC adapters in my LAN, which cost me USD20, 5 and 20. The adapters are all routed through a Netgear 10Base-T hub to one of two XNet 10/100Base-T and a Wiretek ditto switches. I was happy to get the adapters for my purposes.

... is it never possible to connect an old Mac to any 100baseT router/switch etc without a 10baseT switch inbetween, or does it depend on your router?
Connectability of 10Base-T veterans directly into 10/100Base-T networks has been a subject that has raged (almost literally) here and elsewhere for years. In the end, it is certain that it depends on the brands of gear used. My PB 540s use Apple AAUI-Ethernet adapters directly into the LAN proper. My PB 1400s use Farallon PC cards straight into the LAN with their own proprietary cables. My Colour Classics with Apple LC NICs go straight into the LAN. My SE/30s, with Asanté NICs, go through the Netgear hub. My Classic IIs have Asanté EN/SC adapters through the Netgear hub into the LAN. The Macs routed through the intermediary hub will connect in no other way. What it amounts to is that if a 10Base-T port will not successfully connect directly to a duplex switch (supposing that it works at all), it must be routed through a 10Base-T hub, no matter what anyone swears to be the case otherwise. It is a classic case of YMMV.

So does that mean that ethernet file sharing from Tiger to Classic Macs is possible? How would you go about setting it up?
For starters, I use manual assignment of IP addresses throughout, so as not to confuse anybody or anything. Beyond that, once you have confirmed that any two 10Base-T Macs can communicate both ways (in the server/client sense), you just get the client oldie to address a Tiger Mac server over TCP/IP. If the oldie doesn't 'do' TCP/IP, send the file to another Mac that does, and from there to the Tiger Mac over TCP/IP. That's why, as I wrote and as far as I am concerned, the floppy disk is now almost completely de trop.

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