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68040 40MHz SE/30 accelerators that don't use the PDS

Does anyone know if there's was ever a 68040 40MHz accelerator board made for the SE/30 like the PowerCache where the CPU was swapped for a new daughter board instead of using the PDS slot?

I'm interested in seeing how many upgrades I can theoretically map out for an SE/30 and if I could move the use of an accelerator, like the Turbo 040, off the PDS that would free up both physical space and allow me to add something else in its place.

I'd love to be able to do something like have an internal grayscale card, Color Pivot card, and a network card daisychained together using a PDS adapter, but I know that 3 cards is pushing the limits of compatability. Not to mention space inside the machine.
 
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Does anyone know if there's was ever a 68040 40MHz accelerator board made for the SE/30 like the PowerCache where the CPU was swapped for a new daughter board instead of using the PDS slot?

I'm interested in seeing how many upgrades I can theoretically map out for an SE/30 and if I could move the use of an accelerator, like the Turbo 040, off the PDS that would free up both physical space and allow me to add something else in its place.

I'd love to be able to do something like have an internal grayscale card, Color Pivot card, and a network card daisychained together using a PDS adapter, but I know that 3 cards is pushing the limits of compatability. Not to mention space inside the machine.

There's no vintage socketed 040 accelerators. As far as I know there's only one in existence: I made a modified Carrera 040 design, but it was never designed for mass production (read expensive and very annoying to build), so only made one of these. Ran it at 45mhz because why not?

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Funny story though. I came across an Interware GrandVimage, the only accelerated video card for SE30, and I also decided to do something similar. So I made a combined grayscale + ethernet board to go in with the grandvimage and socket carrera.

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Both of those I don't have plans to make more of / offer for sale for various reasons.

That said, my 30Video cards are short enough that I think you would be able to get both a 30Video (external video, with passthrough) and 30Video HC for grayscale on top of one of bolle's risers. No guarantees on if it would work as 4 total boards in a system is asking a lot, but conceptually it could work and should physically fit. Probably an extended grayscale harness will be required.

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Very interesting stuff and I appreciate you sharring your work! When I saw that you make new socketed accelerators for the SE/30 coupled with recently learning about Bolles grayscale card, I got inspired by the possibility. I might give a 4 card set up a go and see what happens in the future, but the prospect of an actual socketed 68040 accelerator is really cool. Did you ever run into compatability issues with your custom cards?

I am in no way qualified to make something like what you did, but it would be a fun goal for me to work towards as I'm interested in learning more about electrical engineering and PCB designs.
 
You can stack one of the grayscale cards from @zigzagjoe together with a chopped Radius IIsi Pivot card on top of my riser. Together with your Turbo040 that would basically be what you’re looking for.

On a side note I have laid out a Turbo040 clone that plugs right into the SE/30 logicboard and entirely replaces the 030 but it’s a nightmare to route, so I haven’t actually started routing it at all and it’s unlikely I ever will.
 
You can stack one of the grayscale cards from @zigzagjoe together with a chopped Radius IIsi Pivot card on top of my riser. Together with your Turbo040 that would basically be what you’re looking for.

On a side note I have laid out a Turbo040 clone that plugs right into the SE/30 logicboard and entirely replaces the 030 but it’s a nightmare to route, so I haven’t actually started routing it at all and it’s unlikely I ever will.
It‘s probably time to condense everything into a new replacement logic board 🙃
 
Very interesting stuff and I appreciate you sharring your work! When I saw that you make new socketed accelerators for the SE/30 coupled with recently learning about Bolles grayscale card, I got inspired by the possibility. I might give a 4 card set up a go and see what happens in the future, but the prospect of an actual socketed 68040 accelerator is really cool. Did you ever run into compatability issues with your custom cards?

I am in no way qualified to make something like what you did, but it would be a fun goal for me to work towards as I'm interested in learning more about electrical engineering and PCB designs.
The reverse engineered stuff is pretty safe, IME.

Things I've designed from scratch like the booster 2.0, 30video cards, NuCF, etc have more room for incompatability but in every case it's been an existing issue with the other card rather than "my" fault so to speak. Sometimes this can be mitigated, sometimes not.

For example, with my early 30Video grayscale cards sometimes exposed an issue that certain carrera cards had with their /DS line that was apparently vulnerable to an unterminated line introducing noise (best guess). Colorboard video cards don't handle their /DSACK lines correctly and are incompatible with boosters for that reason. NuCF had an issue with IIfx having a poorly /AS strobe. That sort of thing.

It‘s probably time to condense everything into a new replacement logic board 🙃

Truthfully I don't think trying to condense it makes sense - the SE/30 (II/IIx/IIcx) architecture is the worst Mac II architecture simply due to its age, it doesn't make a lot of sense to use as a basis for something new. You'd have to increase the entire logic board to 6 layers (or continue to use a daughtercard) and would still be saddled with the worst possible 040 performance.

I think it'd make more sense to build a native 030 system that happens to be mac-like enough to boot a patched ROM. Similar to what was done on the products like Daydream for NeXT that allows booting Mac OS on NeXT hardware with a ROM-box. The GLU chip in particular isn't terribly complex, a functional replica would be straightforward to make as it doesn't need to be cycle or behaviorally exact at the bus level - just present the same interface (or lack thereof, actually) to the software. The SWIM can be bypassed. The ASC presents a problem, but technically I think there's nothing precluding you from blindly acknowledging writes to that space as I seem to recall @Bolle saying a SE/30 board will boot without the ASC. The sony chips likewise aren't important if the ASC is set aside. At that point all you have left are commodity chips or functionality that can be replicated with optional additions (sounds, SWIM) for completeness if desired.

040 would be a tougher sell, but if the rom patches done by the Turbo040 can be reverse engineered there's no reason it couldn't be baked into a ROM.
 
I stumbled across this on ebay today. I'm sure it doesn't work with an SE/30 normally, but I do wonder if is could be used in some janky way like with dupont wires.

 
I stumbled across this on ebay today. I'm sure it doesn't work with an SE/30 normally, but I do wonder if is could be used in some janky way like with dupont wires.

The IIci cache slot is a superset of the 68030 CPU socket. In most cases you could (conceptually) hook an IIci accelerator directly to the socket with ~120 jumpers, it just isn't practical and doesn't mechanically work in the SE30.

There are other factors involved (clock frequency, clock conditioning, patch ROMs, and more) but in the simplest sense that is what is going on with the Diimo adapter (and clones such as Twinspark), or Bolle's omni-adapter. The IIx version of that socket adapter would work electrically (but not mechanically) in a SE30.

The socketed Carrera and Diimo i posted above are essentially an IIci card jammed onto a pcb with a 68030 CPU footprint, with the specific logic adapter logic and video fix in the case of the Carrera.
 
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