Salvation Archive

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Interacting -sending the right message.


@defor Thank you for your appreciation and the offer.
Followed by your encouragement —thread hereby created. Well knowing the viewpoint 68kMLA used to express -I needed to know of your current standing. Therefore, that previous thread served -also the purpose of highlighting affiliations.

That it turned out to be something already known was a happy mistake. The link, not being important was gradually, over the span of weeks, moved over to the companion thread, here’s that find at its —original source.

In early 2022 I started contributing to the Mac scene on a 2nd-unaffiliated site regarded, de facto as the standard for Mac. Most of my findings never made it to a page, but I left that site a year ago, after all uploads were made public —without a heads-up notice.

“Public attention isn’t for me” -can be misinterpreted. I’m referring to the attention from; authors, publishers, lawyers, and international laws, especially from more recent releases. My primary concerns are specifically —exclusions.

Preserving legacy software is important; authors aren’t lining up to preserve it themselves —so it’s left to the archivists. That said, as it has always been, authors’ works are de jure protected. The very least one can do is show some respect and archive it out of focus.

Archive.org vs. WARC (Web ARChive) -captures of websites.
The work I do is archiving software that has not already been archived —for every architecture. Some of the most intriguing finds consist of files with nonexistent extensions that evaded IA captures.

Say I follow the well-meant recommendations -create pages on the Internet Archive and upload. With descriptions including the standard copyright violation disclaimers. Torrents are automatically generated -but rarely used.

If the author or publisher then, by rights, submits a copyright claim for the material to be removed. As well as a request for either a partial exclusion of the original source or a complete website exclusion from the Wayback Machine. It will remain stored away inside that WARC at the Internet Archive —inaccessible and unavailable to the public for our remaining lifetime.

I will not only have lost time spent on creating a page but also lost time away from preservation, finding dozens more —not securely stored. There’s a high probability that I’d be among the few remaining people who still own a copy. As stated, a different solution is in the making. For now, as archiving is a daily habit of mine, whenever I need a break now and then —I share my findings. It’s much easier and quicker to share items here —it has the traffic and the right audience.


Welcome to the Salvation Archive on 68kMLA
—an archive of abandoned and lost legacy software
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Everyone is encouraged to participate in the preservation efforts, by saving and securing a copy.
Go ahead, archive it or upload it to websites for other retro enthusiasts to enjoy.
There's no need to mention the pseudonym I use in the Mac community, thank you.
All that I ask, out of courtesy is that you credit 68kMLA
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The first thing I’m sharing to the 68kMLA community -is a finding from late July.

Interactive WWW Quests
A construction environment that connects interactive simulation games with the World Wide Web. A Quest Game that attempts to go beyond games like SimCity®, Carmen San Diego®, and various Multi-User Dungeons/dimensions (MUDs/MOOs). Quest authors can build rich visual quests that incorporate sound as well as text, graphics, and even programmed behaviors.
Download only available through direct interaction

If you’ve been going about with thoughts of launching a http website, hosting interactive fiction (IF) entertainment —reach out with a PM.

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Previously other downloads available –things one may have missed:


Mac Programming FAQ · Answer Sheet, May 1995.

Prometheus · hyperzine 1st issue 1994

Storeys · powerful spreadsheet · ProFunda 1994

Mac Net Journal’s (Lost+Found Issues) · White Rabbit Publishing 1994 ~ 1996

Virtual Network Computing · Olivetti & Oracle Research Lab (ORL) · AT&T · RealVNC · Purple Shark Software · +Others 1998+
VNC servers, viewers, and source code for both Macintosh and various other platforms.

WiTs Arcade Archive v1.2
A few things for simulating old arcade video games on e.g. FPGAs, or writing new games for old hardware -or building new. The Specific Processor Info folder contains info about the 6809, and the 6502 with assemblers and disassemblers —only relation is for the Apple I and II.
Avoid risks of exclusion by linking directly to the IA captured website (WARC).

All downloads are available for a week.

Downloads always scanned with Agax, Disinfectant, and Virex, prior to linking.
—In this case, files for other systems has been scanned using modern scans.
Use appropriate legacy scanners for use with other platforms.

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This thread, and its links now show up publicly in search engines, why that 3rd-unaffiliated site was chosen —because it does not get indexed.

@defor, with approval and acceptance from the 68kMLA hinterland —I accept maintaining this new archive thread. It’s required that I’m able to edit this thread adding to it -not requiring making new posts. This archive works best if set to private (Log in to view this thread). It can however also remain public, to be used when linking to public sources. That in addition requires the creation of a companion thread in the private section. This is used when linking directly to WARCs —which has not yet been securely stored.

Cashed said:

Download only available through direct interaction

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Why?

Cashed said:

It’s much easier and quicker to share items here —it has the traffic and the right audience.

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You are sharing links to a lesser known file sharing service (like seriously, it took this post for me to realise that limewire is still going as a new business...).

What happens when the files are no longer available from that service? I'd make a bet any day that files on the Internet Archive will be available longer than the ones you've shared.

You know that that's not even the same limewire, right? Like, this one is a company that also owns the rights to Fyre Festival and if that isn't enough of a red flag for you I'm not sure I can help you.

@joshc because direct links to source are shared. If you’re interested, just say so.

Bets are always 50/50 -today, it may appear as if you won that bet. Files will still be available on the Internet Archive, even though they are shared for the present -unless the source gets excluded.
Then it can be added to the list.
List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine
List of websites excluded from the Wayback Machine/Partial exclusions

@cheesestraws thank you for informing me. I recall watching the documentary -bad rep. So a different filesharing option is prefered -np can be change. Any other suggestions, FilePizza?

I re-read the op three times and still don't understand what op is trying to acheive.

However, it reminded me of, and prompted be to go looking for a previous thread created by op - https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/recent-excavations.50518/

It appears that op's mentions to defor are in response to the lock-post in that thread rather than some behind the scenes conversation and agreement between them as seems to be implied above.

I still don't really understand why a privacy-minded individual can't make an account using a name not historically associated with themselves to post material like this on more established sites in the community, at least one of which is not indexed by search engines last I checked.... If the concern is that said material will draw attention, and their name being associated will direct further attention to all of their uploads once one is discovered.
What has been going on just seems like so much effort to circumvent nothing significant, but I probably just don't understand the full scope of the situation.

What's the guy running off and where can I buy some

I see no problem with additional archives even if people don't like the way it's implemented. Redundancy is good.

Hi @Cashed , I think we are having a hard time understanding what you're trying to accomplish and how you're trying to accomplish it. This is not the first time we've had a discussion about your intentions, so I wonder if we might want to seek other methods of satisfying our curiosity than with threads like this one.

This thing you said caught my eye:

Cashed said:

The work I do is archiving software that has not already been archived —for every architecture.

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This may mean that you've carried out archiving and preservation work for other platforms besides old Macs. Perhaps there are websites that are like 68kmla for those platforms, and perhaps people on those websites have come to understand your intentions and methods better than we have done so far.

Do you think you might refer us to other communities you've worked with? Maybe seeing your work in those places and even talking to folks there can help us learn more about what you do. Just a thought...

I read through his OP, and I fully understand what he’s saying. His nomenclature and grammar putting his thoughts together isn’t exactly intuitive, and some of the thoughts seem to be vague conceptions, but it makes some kind of sense once you wrap your head around it.

MacJunky I think has a good handle on it, and he makes a good point in that the OP sort of seems like some kind of Max Fenig character from the X-Files (for those who remember that show).

All that aside, I also learned today that Limewire still exists.

Curiosity is a drive

Discussions were expected. To get to know me better —is perfectly understandable.
Posts on other unaffiliated Mac sites oughta be suffice.

68kMLA is as established a place as it gets —I've been coming by since 2010.
Preservation for other platforms was mentioned in my initial threads on 68kMLA.
To achieve and accomplish implies intentions —mine equals zero.

My dad's passing in 2022 evoked nostalgia.
During that time, I happened to be mostly using macOS for my DAWs, creating music for my artworks.
I got struck by an overwhelming urge to go back in time and start my music tracks on earlier systems.
Down the rabbit hole of a fractured Mac community —the path I took.
Some adapt quickly to a new reality, while for others that takes time.
Views change over time —given enough time, people will understand.

Faction change is easy, one’s virtuous is not —now I am here.
I simply just dig -digging and sharing —without compromising my virtues.
One year from now, I would like to be able to answer all your questions with certainty.

Back to topic: Archive
I am currently unable to edit my OP —which is required for me to maintain this thread.
Would have rearranged —reply and explanation moved to the bottom.
The decision about what and when to edit it is left for the 68kMLA staff to decide.

The associated companion thread Salv-ARC has been created.
Currently can't paste link in OP.

I still don‘t get it.

Why not just upload your findings to Macintosh Garden, like everyone else?

The trouble with temporary links is that they are temporary, and someone looking for something specific may come across it too late.
In the event that you are unable to upload these files yourself, perhaps to preserve privacy/anonymity an arrangement can be made with someone from the community and/or someone who runs one of the multiple current distribution sites to take these files and make sure they are uploaded such that alternate or backup copies exist?

jmacz said:

I still don‘t get it.

Why not just upload your findings to Macintosh Garden, like everyone else?

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Pretty much this post right here.

Why don't you just sell SCSI hard drives loaded with these el1te macc warez? No need to be worried about getting removed from Internet Archive or limewire

jmacz said:

I still don‘t get it.

Why not just upload your findings to Macintosh Garden, like everyone else?

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Maybe my Max Fenig reference was too obscure, but essentially he’s a paranoid conspiracy theorist who thinks “they” are always watching his actions. He’s concerned “they” are interested in all his actions and will track him down.

I don’t know about Cashed and his feelings on conspiracies, but obviously he’s afraid of “them.”

Beyond that, apparently he has software he believes isn’t available elsewhere.