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System fan?

cjtmacclassic

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hi all-

as you may know, i want to prolong the life of my Macs to the fullest extent. examples of this are, if i walk waway from it, i dim the screen to min, check the temp of the power board on the side, etc. so, to make mine live longer,

can i install a fan on the poor old 68000 processor?

-ct

 

Osgeld

Banned
totally speaking out of my rear here, but I would think it depends on the machine

the early compacts are designed for convection (cooling) airflow, adding a fan might disturb that balance (that they did spend time fussing over to get it right), so while your cpu might be nice n cool, you could be devoid air from another part of the computer that needs it. Maybe a passive heat sink would be better in that situation? (ie its rumored that when they were working on the //c adding a fan did not do much to the system temp because the floppy drive was now running hot)

More details about which mac your talking about and wisdom from the forum will be more informative

 

cjtmacclassic

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i'm running system 6.0.8 on a Macintosh Classic I. no external hardware ( aside from keyboard and mouse) Just an internal floppy and 40 mb HD

 

Mac128

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can i install a fan on the poor old 68000 processor? ... i'm running a Macintosh Classic
Ummmm, A Classic already has a fan in it. Are you sure you mean an actual Classic, and not a classic Mac? Do you dim the screen with software every time you leave it?

 

johnklos

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hi all-as you may know, i want to prolong the life of my Macs to the fullest extent. examples of this are, if i walk waway from it, i dim the screen to min, check the temp of the power board on the side, etc. so, to make mine live longer,

can i install a fan on the poor old 68000 processor?
If you want to install a fan in the system to help circulation, then sure, why not? If you want to put a fan on specifically for the m68000, then don't bother. It hardly gets warm, and the slight difference in temperature isn't going to prolong its life.

 

cjtmacclassic

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yes, i have to use the control panel to dim the screen. it's a Macintosh Classic I. yes, it has a fan, but it doesn't come in contact with the processor itself. instead, it's placed in the bottom below the Logic board.

 

Mac128

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yes, i have to use the control panel to dim the screen. it's a Macintosh Classic I. yes, it has a fan, but it doesn't come in contact with the processor itself. instead, it's placed in the bottom below the Logic board.
LOL, believe me, that fan is adequate to cool a 68000. Any heat it produces is whisked away by the currents inside the case. The 68000 is hardly a Intel Core Duo, crunching iTunes video codecs, it's not even a Pentium. The heat it puts off is likely even less than the heat the RAM puts off. Do you seriously think Apple would put a fan inside a computer if it didn't do anything? LOL. I have NEVER heard of ANY 68000 CPU failing in ANY compact Mac after 27 years of regular use, even those without a fan like the Plus. The CPU is the LEAST of your worries in that Classic, which is adequately cooled. And by the way, the Classic's PSU is robust enough to add two more fans inside blowing right on the CPU if that will give you peace-of-mind. The bigger problem you have with the Classic is that no matter what you do to keep it cool, the electrolytic capacitors used on it are ticking time bombs. They will almost all naturally degrade over the next 10 years if they haven't already. Apple used the cheapest materials they could to do the job and like all electronics the caps have a rated lifespan, which was not intended to be very long in the Classic as it was an antiquated machine when it was built. Forced obsolescence. Another fan will not change this.

 

JDW

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After hours of use, the 68000 CPU in vintage Macs will remain cool to the touch. Indeed, if you feel any heat at all it is heat coming from the hot air inside the Mac case. These CPU's do NOT need cooling. Your analog PSU does.

 

cjtmacclassic

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that is another one of my concerns. is there any way to install a fan on the psu? if so where? i know the side gets hot after the machine has been running for a while, but is there a specific component causing this that needs cooling?

-ct

 

JDW

Well-known member
This Hyperdrive fan photo shows how GCC mounted a cooling fan in one of the diagonal vents at the top-back of the Mac case (inside, of course). It pulls air up from the vents in the bottom of the case and out through that vent at top. Since hot air rises, this works well to cool the case. Other third party fans did basically the same thing, except they installed externally in the handle section of the case. I personally like the internal fan because you can't see it from the outside, so the machine looks stock. However, you can hear it though. But that was in an era before Silenx and other quiet fans.

 

Mac128

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This Hyperdrive fan photo shows how GCC mounted a cooling fan in one of the diagonal vents at the top-back of the Mac case (inside, of course).
As much as I know you love to brag about your Hyperdrive :beige: –

He has a Classic. It already has a fan, a very good fan. There are no other vents to blow out of. He seems to be overly concerned where there is no cause for it: This is the final design of the compact Mac. Apple's engineers had perfected the art of cooling it by then. Adding another fan internally is likely only going to increase the load on the PSU making it run even hotter and possibly defeat the engineer's design by recirculating hot air back onto the PSU. The caps are going to eventually leak, if they are not already, regardless of how many fans you have running inside the unit and that will cause the Classic to eventually die, even if you only run it inside a refrigerator. Adding more fans or running an AC duct directly into it will not help. Electronics get hot. The components inside are rated for the heat. Your best bet would be to drop this exercise in futility and learn to replace the vintage caps with modern equivalents that will run cooler and last decades longer.

If you really, really , really, really want to install another fan, you can squeeze one into the handle to pull air out the top, you can put another one over the back vent that will force even more air out of it and you can put little micro fans pointed at every warm component on the PSU. Plug them all into the power connector and turn up the voltage. I bet if you tried you could get maybe another 5 fans in there. More if you drill a new vent on the right side of the cabinet. There's a template for adding a speaker grille in Larry Pina's book (Apple manufactured them that way later), you could put another fan over it, bringing the total to six! Possibly even squeeze some into the bottom side vents as well – I'm thinking 8 fans now. Actually, as long as we are modifying the case, you could take JDW's advice and cut those vents back into the chamfers and install 2 more fans there. The one on the left rear will be right above the flyback transformer which gets the warmest, so I don't know why I didn't suggest it sooner. Just cut more holes in the case! But make sure you operate it only in a clean-room environment, because all of those fans are going to pull an awful lot of dust and debris into it. In fact if your floppy drive does not have the dust shield, you should probably make one for it – oh and put a micro-fan inside it to keep it cool since it will be sealed inside a heat trapping insulator.

Pfffffft! On second thought, what were those engineers thinking putting just one fan in the Classic!?

 

JDW

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As much as I know you love to brag about your Hyperdrive
Subconsciously, you probably have me spot on. But consciously I merely linked to that particular photo because that is the only one of a fan that I have in a pre-SE/30 Mac.

He has a Classic.
I now feel like an idiot for having overlooked that. You're right. No additional fan should be required for a Classic.

But if the fan is as noisy as the stock Elina in the SE/30, then it's probably worth swapping out. My SE/30 experience changed dramatically when I installed a quieter Silenx fan in it.

 

Scott Baret

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The Elina is actually the quietest of the three fans I have seen in the SE series as stock fans. The rat cage fan, of course, was the worst. However, not all SEs and SE/30s had Elina fans. Some had DC Pico Ace 25s, which are noisier than the Elinas.

 

LCGuy

LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
On the topic of the Elina fans, I'm curious...were the ones used in the compact Macs any different to the ones used on the LCs? I've never used a compact with an Elina before (the only compact I've ever had with a fan was my Classic II, which had a Canon), but I have two of the Elina fans that came with LC series machines (one of which came in my LCIII, which I've had since new), and both of them are whisper quiet. I'm just curious if they're a later revision or something.

By the way, I'll second Scott's opinion on the Pico Ace 25...I have one LCII with a Pico Ace 25, and it is a lot noisier than either of the Elinas.

 

JDW

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The Elina is actually the quietest of the three fans I have seen in the SE series as stock fans.
Indeed. The Elina is the most quiet of the "stock fans." But it is by no means "quiet." Once you drop in a 60mm Silenx fan as a replacement for the Elina, you will not hear the fan at all.

 
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