Steve Job's Personal Apple IIe

[haplain]

I have an will continue to reach out to the Job's estate regarding these items. I have no intention of doing anything inappropriate with them, they are not up for sale and will never be. I'm just happy, that for now, I can say that I've owned this machine. If anyone from the Job's estate ever contacts me and wants everything back it's theirs. I recognize the Steve's legacy is something that many of us followed, but at the end of the day its his family that really lost someone. For that exact reason, I would never keep something from Steve's family. I cannot and will not ever share the information I find in or on any of his personal items but it is the backbone of validating the legitimacy of my claims, especially the letters to Steve and financial documents.

I'm not too worried about the legality of my situation, that isn't to say I have no fear if someone is to contact me but given the fact that his occurred nearly 7 years ago,that I am willing to give it back and haven't done anything with it to begin with allows me rest easy. Ignorance/innocents isn't a reason to allow someone to commit a crime but taking something from a garbage, regardless of the law, is not something I feel too bad about. I would and will never enter someones property without permission and furthermore would never take anything from anyone. I will post some more photos of the machine, in its entirety, soon.

 

[mcdermd]

But all the same, that is a pretty killer find!

 

[haplain]

But all the same, that is a pretty killer find!

Thanks and yes, its definitely the coolest thing I've ever found, and probably ever will!

 

[uniserver]

is there anything cooler?

Seriously?

i guess a prototype lisa

or a Twiggy Macintosh

Prototype Apple II

Prototype Apple I ?

 

[Under Dog]

I'm no legal expert, but let me ask you this. Where was the dumpster located? If it was out on the street, it's yours fair and square... Rest easy...

 

[mcdermd]

Except that you're still stealing from the trash company. The Jobs had reasonable expectation that once placed in the dumpster, the property ownership had been transferred to the trash company. That's why dumpster diving is technically illegal in many places.

 

[olePigeon]

In California theft/burglary can have a statute of limitations anywhere between one and six years, depending on the facts of the case and the value of the property.

The statue of limitations only applies after the discovery rule, in which case both parties must be aware that it is stolen and reasonable attempts were made to inform the previous owner. There is no set time limit from when something is stolen and someone finds out that it was stolen. So if someone takes something valuable from your trash, and you didn't know it was thrown out or stolen, then discover that item on eBay 15 years later, you can still get it back.

The discovery rule came under scrutiny when family members of/and victims of the holocaust wanted to get their personal belongings back when they saw them go up for auction or ended up in museums (or were in possession of private citizens who inherited them after the theft from Nazis.) How long is too long to make a claim on stolen goods that you thought were lost for ever?

 

[uniserver]

dumpster diving is technically illegal in many places

Wouldnt stop you… Ya Beast HAHA LOL [] ]'>

you can still get it back

Well then we better not make to big of a stink over it, maybe LISA might want her dads stuff back?

 

[Under Dog]

Like I said... no legal expert, especially not for any region other than where I live. However, I'll say this is a very common practice in my line of work. Once the trash hits the street there is no longer any expectation of privacy. My only concern is where the trash can is located...

 

[uniserver]

where the trash can is located

so if it was on the street then it should be fine?

 

[haplain]

I'm no legal expert, but let me ask you this. Where was the dumpster located? If it was out on the street, it's yours fair and square... Rest easy...

The dumpster was so far out in the street, due to its size, that I had to pull a 6 point turn around to get back in the direction I needed to go. It could have been any one of the houses at the end of the cul de sac based on the dumpster location. Not after years and all the stories about Steve's Jackling Mansion did I put two and two together. Now, looking back, I wish I had jumped head first into that dumpster and searched for more. I'm sure I would have found other cool/unique stuff but the computer was a good enough little take away from me. Little did I know, that the real surprise would come over 5+ years later when I opened it up. Truly the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Computist]

haplain wrote:
I hope to NEVER sell any of it. Just more a cool story and a serious talking piece.

You tried to sell the IIe on eBay for $45,000 a while back... or did you mean just the paperwork?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150822390887

 

[krye]

Ha! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. I knew I saw this very model on eBay a few months ago. $45 grand? That's not exactly keeping it on the down-low considering how you got it. I'd wait a good 10 years before I asked for that kind of money.

 

[uniserver]

Well , how much is something like this worth

Obviously the man can sell… I mean that last Portable he sold, brought 1100 + shipping !

that is a beastly amount of money for a portable.

Maybe they thought your price was too low for something that is as authentic as what you have there?

Maybe you should try for 100 grand

 

[Under Dog]

I can't say if this instance was legal or not. However, for trash that is on the curb it is generally fair game. Your state, county, city, etc... may have additional laws that come into play, but I'm fairly certain federal law allows for it...

 

[directive0]

Has anyone been successfully prosecuted for theft of garbage ever? Actually asking, not trying to socratically prove a point.

 

[haplain]

haplain wrote:
I hope to NEVER sell any of it. Just more a cool story and a serious talking piece.

You tried to sell the IIe on eBay for $45,000 a while back... or did you mean just the paperwork?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150822390887

That was just supposed to be for the paperwork Jobs vs. Apple document which is also very unique. I wasn't really trying to sell anything, more get a general understanding of the market demand.

Ha! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. I knew I saw this very model on eBay a few months ago. $45 grand? That's not exactly keeping it on the down-low considering how you got it. I'd wait a good 10 years before I asked for that kind of money.

Sorta, if you find a Babe Ruth autographed baseball in an attic or garbage (lets not continue the legality argument) just because you found it for free doesn't mean you list or sell it for 5 bucks. Unfortunately, Steve is gone and he will never type on another computer. This one has his DNA on/in it and not many people can tout that. In 10 years I would add a 0 to that 45k. There's an iPod with a SJ signature on it for 10k right now... which is just an arbitrary signature let alone on a piece of something he owned with all the other documents to him.

 

[olePigeon]

Well, like I said, best to get a certificate of authenticity. A lot of fake Steve Jobs stuff is going to start showing up.

 

[CelGen]

That was just supposed to be for the paperwork Jobs vs. Apple document which is also very unique. I wasn't really trying to sell anything, more get a general understanding of the market demand.

That is NOT what ebay is designed for. I do believe it is also a bannable offense to list items impossibly high just to see what people will offer for it. It's also a very inaccurate way to see what the market would be for the computer.

Anyways, I was not previously discussing the legality of picking stuff out of the trash. I'm sure we've all done it. What I was trying to say is that selling Steve's personal documents and possibly old electronic bank statements is selling personal information in the eyes of ebay and they'll suspend your account if they catch you.

 

[haplain]

That was just supposed to be for the paperwork Jobs vs. Apple document which is also very unique. I wasn't really trying to sell anything, more get a general understanding of the market demand.

That is NOT what ebay is designed for. I do believe it is also a bannable offense to list items impossibly high just to see what people will offer for it. It's also a very inaccurate way to see what the market would be for the computer.

Ok, well, I'm no saint so if someone had placed a bid for 45k I would have at least toyed with the idea. :-x