Q605 and a DSL Modem...

[weif]

I'm having trouble getting my Quadra 605 connected to the internet through my LAN and DSL modem.

The DSL modem is a Motorola Netopia 3347. The DSL connection is through Qwest.

I have it connected to the Mac via ethernet to an AsanteTalk, then LocalTalk to the Quadra.

The Mac is running 7.6.1 with OT 1.1.2.

In the TCP/IP control panel, I have set the router address to the internal IP of the modem, set up the name servers (I've tried the Qwest name servers as well as a couple of other open name servers I have access to), and I have tried setting the machine's IP address to either 127.0.0.1 or an IP in the range the modem should accept. I've tried both IPs that the modem may try to assign to other devices via DHCP, as well as IP addresses that it should accept, but will not assign on its own. I have confirmed the IP addresses both with Qwest support and with the configuration information available from the modem.

Looking at the lights on the modem, it does see the ethernet cable in question attached.

When I try to do an nslookup from the Mac, I get an error that "the name does not exist in the name server database." (this takes a while). If I try to request conneciton to a server (using Netscape Navigator 3.0.4), I get an error that "the server refused the connection." I get this even requesting the IP of the modem.

My FreeBSD machine and my business partners WinXP machine both connect through this modem just fine. The BSD box is wired, the XP box is sometimes wired, sometimes wireless.

I'm not sure if the Mac connection issue is a problem with the AsanteTalk adapter, (fwiw, its lights seem to blink appropriately), or with the 10baseT/100baseT swap on the modem, or if it's inherent to the modem, or if I have a configuration wrong.

Any advice, thoughts, comments, or suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[JRL]

As far as I know, vintage Asante kit doesn't work at all with modern networking equipment. You need a 10 Mbps hub (very cheap) in between your DSL modem and your Quadra 605.

 

[4seasonphoto]

Some of those Asante devices aren't full-fledged Ethernet->Localtalk bridges, but rather, dedicated printer adapter devices.

Easiest way to do what you want to do is to get a Farallon ethernet->serial or ethernet->scsi device. Cayman's Gatorbox may also be very desirable, but I've never actually seen one.

 

[equill]

Have you used Asanté EtherTalk Installer v5.6.1? Ideallly the software is installed before OT 1.1.1/1.1.2 so that it cannot overwrite OT with older componets. It is by no means essential, but it could be advantageous in being more up-to-the-minute, to steal OT 1.3.1 from an OS 8.1 Install CD.

A visit to Asanté's support may assure you that you have what you need. I find, with Asanté LC PDS NICs in Q605s, there is no need for an intermediary 10Base-T hub between the NICs and the 10/100Base-T switch next up the line in my wider LAN. Depending on your card's model, you may or may not need the hub to compensate for lack of the NIC's autonegotiation.

Without wishing to offend you by referring to the PBO, have you configured the AppleTalk CP to 'see' your NIC rather than the Printer port?

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[weif]

I got a 10baseT hub and have the AsanteTalk connected through that, so the series is kind of like:

Q605 ->

LocalTalk PhoneNet adapter ->

(PhoneNet cable i.e. phone cord, but actually the one that came with my PhoneNet adapters when I got them way back when)

LocalTalk PhoneNet adapter ->

AsanteTalk ->

(ethernet cable)

Bay Networks 10baseT Hub ->

(ethernet cable)

Qwest/Motorola Netopia 3347 Router/DSL modem

Currently, I'm typing this from my FreeBSD machine which is connected through the above mentioned hub and is capable of connecting to the 'net (obviously).

I still seem to be getting the same problem with the Mac, however. I assign it an IP that the router should recognize, but the router does not list that IP as taken, nor does it list a second device on the LAN.

Judging by blinky lights (I know, hardly scientific), it looks like the packets get to the AsanteTalk and get to the Hub, and get to the Router, where they are ignored?

Is the Asante EtherTalk Installer Equil mentioned really relevant since this is not an internal card?

The AppleTalk control panel is looking at the printer port, because that is where the LocalTalk adapter is plugged in.

 

[Gil]

Short answer: You cannot use TCP/IP over AppleTalk.

Long answer: It is possible, though you need a dedicated computer with LocalTalk and Ethernet ports, running Apple IP Gateway.

 

[weif]

um... OK. are you sure? I remember, in the past (though this was a decade ago), doing this by just switching the control in the TCP/IP control panel to use AppleTalk and then setting the IP address and making sure the Mac in question was connected to an AppleTalk network...

Do you think that atalkd on a FreeBSD machine would serve this purpose?

 

[porter]

Do you think that atalkd on a FreeBSD machine would serve this purpose?

You need "macipgw" or similar in addition to netatalk.

 

[Gil]

um... OK. are you sure? I remember, in the past (though this was a decade ago), doing this by just switching the control in the TCP/IP control panel to use AppleTalk and then setting the IP address and making sure the Mac in question was connected to an AppleTalk network...

Yes...which requires a MacIP gateway box in the AppleTalk network, as I described in my previous post.