MicroMac Power WorkStation - Did anyone ever buy one?

olePigeon

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@KennyPowers If you ever decide to get rid of it, lemme know. :)

Incidentally, could we get pictures of the expander card, power supply, etc.? I was always curious how it all came together.
 

jessenator

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That is legendary. Quite the upgrade... I had come across the same small web images of the thing not believing it went into production, but here we are. Thanks for sharing!
 

olePigeon

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@KennyPowers Thanks, I'll check them out. I only have part of a PowerWorkstation. Just the metal part, but no bezel, power supply, or expander card. I did have 2 expander cards for similar products (DGR and Sonnet) that I think MicroMac was going to license or also sold. I got them in the original box identical to yours as part of a group buy a few of us did years ago for whatever remaining MicroMac items there were left.
 

KennyPowers

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@KennyPowers Thanks, I'll check them out. I only have part of a PowerWorkstation. Just the metal part, but no bezel, power supply, or expander card. I did have 2 expander cards for similar products (DGR and Sonnet) that I think MicroMac was going to license or also sold. I got them in the original box identical to yours as part of a group buy a few of us did years ago for whatever remaining MicroMac items there were left.
I wonder if any of the PDS adapters purported to be included with the Power Workstation ever made it into the wild then. Mine didn't appear to come with one even though it's mentioned and pictured in the manual.
 

Trash80toHP_Mini

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I was under the impression that the Accelerator was an option, not included in the baseline product. Product pricing seemed to indicate that when I last looked at this stuff. Installation in the WorkStation was outside the scope of the Accelerator's manual?

edit: yep pricing info is upthread:

 

KennyPowers

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I was under the impression that the Accelerator was an option, not included in the baseline product. Product pricing seemed to indicate that when I last looked at this stuff. Installation in the WorkStation was outside the scope of the Accelerator's manual?

edit: yep pricing info is upthread:

Ya, the pricing doesn't suggest that the accelerator is included, but then the MicroMac website says this:

"Includes 32MHz 68030 ThunderCache accelerator for increased performance up to 220%"

and the manual says this:

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So I dunno. Seems like maybe it never really made it to the "fully-fledged product" status :)
 

Trash80toHP_Mini

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It probably did, but they likely unbundled it to better recoup development costs? It's a very cool product for expansion alone, even without the multi-slot adapter which I think was probably unbundled as well. That would explain the $199 base price. Then again:

"The new upgrade chassis includes a specially modified MicroMac ThunderCache accelerator with a dual-slot PDS adapter and internal bays to accommodate . . ."

"Base Unit - $199 - provides chassis, ThunderCache accelerator and dual-slot PDS adapter"


I'm inclined to read that as "Chassis with adapter for dual PDS and ThunderCache accelerator." Aux power supply was not included.

Base price for the empty shell appears to be $99 on that page and $199 with adapter/accelerator goodies included? Dunno wording seems equivocal and well within the bounds of "not responsible for misprints in advertising/web site" as that happens even today. Back then engineers weren't much involved in web site design/content and the web folks weren't much involved with the technical side and needed fingers and toes to do arithmatic.

If something sounds too good to be true, it is. ISTR checking the accelerator pricing which skewed the package pricing way out of line. But I'd have to go back into the mail order adverts again, that isn't happening today.

LOL! "Upthread" was 11 years ago. MacUser Archive was put up in the meantime, wonder if they reviewed it?

Sorry if this is rambling, makes little sense, down with Covid ATM. 🤒
 
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LCLover

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Sorry to be reviving this thread after so long! I have a Power Workstation Chassis and original manual I would be willing to sell to the right buyer. It's currently mounted on a LC475 (as pictured). I can include the CD drive and zip drive but would remove the other hard drives currently installed but would ship the mounting hardware. I'm located in central California just in case that's near anyone who would be a serious buyer. Feel free to PM me if you're interested. I wanted to throw it out here before I put it on eBay.
 

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joshc

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Sorry to be reviving this thread after so long! I have a Power Workstation Chassis and original manual I would be willing to sell to the right buyer. It's currently mounted on a LC475 (as pictured). I can include the CD drive and zip drive but would remove the other hard drives currently installed but would ship the mounting hardware. I'm located in central California just in case that's near anyone who would be a serious buyer. Feel free to PM me if you're interested. I wanted to throw it out here before I put it on eBay.
Create a post in our 'Trading Post' subforum instead, prospective buyers are not going to see your reply to this thread.

 

KennyPowers

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Sorry to be reviving this thread after so long! I have a Power Workstation Chassis and original manual I would be willing to sell to the right buyer. It's currently mounted on a LC475 (as pictured). I can include the CD drive and zip drive but would remove the other hard drives currently installed but would ship the mounting hardware. I'm located in central California just in case that's near anyone who would be a serious buyer. Feel free to PM me if you're interested. I wanted to throw it out here before I put it on eBay.
@LCLover I sent you a private message, but just realized that maybe you're not getting them as a new member? I can't remember if there's a probationary period or something before you can use private messaging here.
 

joshc

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@LCLover I sent you a private message, but just realized that maybe you're not getting them as a new member? I can't remember if there's a probationary period or something before you can use private messaging here.
Email notifications for DMs are still broken, so if the new member isn't logging in often, they might not have seen it yet.
 

Trash80toHP_Mini

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Got to thinking about this one. At least one of these expansion setups had switch selected, multiple PDS slots. Wondering if there might be any interest in coming up with a new build equivalent with a PCB supporting accelerator and choice of expansion cards.

First thing that comes to mind would be NIC + VidVard + Apple II cards. Amounts to passive backplane with A/B/C Interrupt select.

Not my cup of tea, but if someone wants to take the notion up in a dedicated hacks thread I'd jump right in. ;)
 

KennyPowers

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Got to thinking about this one. At least one of these expansion setups had switch selected, multiple PDS slots. Wondering if there might be any interest in coming up with a new build equivalent with a PCB supporting accelerator and choice of expansion cards.

First thing that comes to mind would be NIC + VidVard + Apple II cards. Amounts to passive backplane with A/B/C Interrupt select.

Not my cup of tea, but if someone wants to take the notion up in a dedicated hacks thread I'd jump right in. ;)
I've still never been able to track down the elusive dual-slot PDS adapter that came with the accelerator option for the Power Workstation. After looking at pictures of other multi-PDS adapters for the LC's and consulting with people smarter than me, I suspect it was mostly a passive adapter, possibly with some programmable logic to handle PDS cards that needed bus-mastering. I'm told that shouldn't be necessary for a simple ethernet card though, so I simulated a completely passive adapter by adding a passthrough to this ethernet card and stacking some of the LC accelerators I have ontop of it:

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My LCII booted fine each time, but the machine couldn't see the ethernet card. However, the only two LC accelerators I own are both maybe too "fancy" for this experiment, as they have added cache and RAM. I suspect that a simpler accelerator, like an Interware Booster, may have worked, but I don't have one (someone wanna loan me one? :)). I also noticed this subtle language in the Power Workstation's product description:

...includes a specially modified MicroMac ThunderCache accelerator with a dual-slot PDS adapter...

I think that further confirms that only very specific accelerators would work with the MicroMac dual-slot PDS adapter (or any of the other multi-PDS adapters for that matter).
 

zigzagjoe

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I've still never been able to track down the elusive dual-slot PDS adapter that came with the accelerator option for the Power Workstation. After looking at pictures of other multi-PDS adapters for the LC's and consulting with people smarter than me, I suspect it was mostly a passive adapter, possibly with some programmable logic to handle PDS cards that needed bus-mastering. I'm told that shouldn't be necessary for a simple ethernet card though, so I simulated a completely passive adapter by adding a passthrough to this ethernet card and stacking some of the LC accelerators I have ontop of it:

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My LCII booted fine each time, but the machine couldn't see the ethernet card. However, the only two LC accelerators I own are both maybe too "fancy" for this experiment, as they have added cache and RAM. I suspect that a simpler accelerator, like an Interware Booster, may have worked, but I don't have one (someone wanna loan me one? :)). I also noticed this subtle language in the Power Workstation's product description:



I think that further confirms that only very specific accelerators would work with the MicroMac dual-slot PDS adapter (or any of the other multi-PDS adapters for that matter).
Yes, interware booster/micromac thundercache (essentially identical in function) can cohabitate with a second card. I suspect most of the dual PDS adapters were just for the accelerator + expansion card case since there's no way to have two IO cards (which use the $E space, unlike most accelerators)

I have a broken 50mhz thundercache pro, I plan to look into it if if I can get working. My suspicion is it doesn't issue off-card bus cycles for the slot $E address space which will prevent any expansion cards from working.

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KennyPowers

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I have a broken 50mhz thundercache pro, I plan to look into it if if I can get working. My suspicion is it doesn't issue off-card bus cycles for the slot $E address space which will prevent any expansion cards from working.
One of the accelerators I tried this with was a 50Mhz ThunderCachePro, and /PDS.AS was never asserted with it stacked ontop of the ethernet card IIRC.
 
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Trash80toHP_Mini

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$E space/interrupt can't be shared, but it can be A/B/C switched to make use of different cards in turn within the expansion case on a passive backplane. No accelerator I've heard of occupies slot space or uses an interrupt, it's on the receiving end of interrupts.
 
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