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Mac SE/30, collectable value

Mac128

Well-known member
there are some among us, myself included, who occasionally get jumpy about people who wish to squeeze us for info that will be used in profiteering on EBAY.
I applaud your restraint JDW. I would also like to point out that it's not profiteering on eBay alone that's the issue, but rather obtaing the free advice from the "experts" and then turning around and using it against us, in the form of artificially inflating the market for those of us who might be interested in buying that particular vingtage Mac, and certainly, as Unknown_K points out, not offering for sale here first. It's OK to desire a certain price, but pumping the list to get the details to help sell it, and then using that info to maximize a profit, but giving nothing back to the group that helped obtain the profit, is just wrong. And presumably, once the seller who became a part of the community merely to sell his only vintage Mac, will never log on again, much less contribute anything, and resulting in a dead user account which will eventually have to be purged from the system. Under those circumstances, I would say there is no one who would be openly welcome. After all, as has been pointed out, it's relatively easy to search completed listings on eBay, as it is to search the voluminous forums here to find information about repairing Almost every Mac, but especially the SE/30 thanks to JDW's detailed posts. To bypass all of that freely obtainable information to get quicker answers only to facilitate one's for-profit ends, is ethically questionable - at least around here. I can think of no one I know or have read about in business who would personally or professionally feel otherwise, I think as evidenced by the numerous patent lawsuits which daily populate the high tech world.

Imagine this were the frontier, and a person rolls into a small town one day with a broken down wagon. They attend a town meeting, join the community, and ask the neighbors to help fix the wagon, which they willingly offer to do to help the new member of their community. Then as soon as the wagon is fixed, that person disappears having given nothing back to the community which helped them. Then a week later one of the people from the community goes to the big city to buy a wagon at auction and finds the very wagon he helped repair for sale. Since it is one of the few in good condition, a bidding war ensues, bringing the price of the wagon out of reach of the small town buyer, who helped repair the wagon in the first place so it would bring such a price. It would actually make this story worse if the seller had turned out to be a notable figure, that the town helped out due to their respect or admiration for that person and the things the person indirectly contributed to the community, like a politician, inventor, or celebrity. The community thought they were helping someone out who appreciated the help, not someone who was just passing through and would forget about them as soon as they started counting their money.

 

synergy

Active member
JDW. Apparently you anticipated all from your closing remarks and you have nerve to wonder why. Truth is I'm also not upset but simply be on your seat. What is more revealing than incriminating your motive by saying that my harsh reply only *reinforced* your *negative suspicions.* You are right in saying that it is all about the suspicion theory after all. I suppose the word *divine* has much to do with another sinister botton not to be violated here.

If you think you got suprising reprisal then perhaps you all should reappraise wisdom of yours when your brains are muzzled and failed to notice yourselves spewing out the words like blunt, upset, enemy, jumpy, shark, negative, suspicion, relax, artificial, profiteering, purge, pumping, etc (Mattew. 12: 35).

As a proverb saying the one who farts blames others first. I've read some of your posts in the past and surely everyone knows none of your Mac relics didn't come from dealing with eBay or a third party but you all seem well versed in the rarity of your add ons and hence the market values. You can coax yourselves all your life but if it weren't for their rarity you wouldn't be dwelling here in a first place. Beside not all who join this site envy their Mac enough want to be part of your bed fellows. A rude awakening for some but I promise you this isn't the ghetto if I ever want to be a profiteer. I've already donated a half dozen Performas to a local charity which are much more usable than your vintage Mac ever could. That doesn't mean I refuse to befriend with no one but the gang who are fixated on losing their slices of pie aren't the ones I bet my soul on.

If the wisdom speaks to you then the Proverb 16:19 might ring a bell on your head. Why don't you all ease up your retentiveness. Not all new comers who ask for resale values are not here to steal your lost wages or to hinder reunion of your long lost soul Mac. Go ahead if you wanna form a union. Even so, they are not your enemies and aren't here to subvert your little world unless you beg to differ and make one for yourselves.

Now that I've lost the means of getting the true value of the broken Lisa in its original box, why don't you all chill out and cast a lot among yourselves. Whoever wins I'll exchange it for your Powerbook before I list it on eBay.

 

beachycove

Well-known member
Time to calm down, methinks.

The answer to the question of eBay value is the same as the answer to every other question concerning market value: it is "worth" what someone will pay for it. If someone is mad enough to pay $400 for what industry regards as scrap electronics, that is, I suppose, their choice.

I would not pay more than $40 or so for one myself. I have two, and did not spend $40 between the two of them. I got them for that price because the people passing them on wanted them to go to a good home, and not to the recyclers, or (what is nearly as bad) to hackers wanting to make them into fishtanks or G4s, which merely destroys a machine in a different way, but just as thoroughly. I think the people from whom I got the machines felt that I understood their worth better than most, and that they got a good "price."

That rather different sense of value, which would be broadly shared by our members, is basically why this thread developed in the way it did.

So keep your SE/30, and stick around the forum. We need new members.

 

synergy

Active member
That rather different sense of value, which would be broadly shared by our members, is basically why this thread developed in the way it did.
Do they ever wish that I have a law degree from Harvard? But they know that a law degree is not required to see that this is not about different sense of value. This is all about being territorial and paranoid. Some got berzerk as if I stepped on their genitalia. I tried to spice up the threads and boost their pride a bit while obtaining some questions but that wasn't enough for them because of the doctrine of your gain is my loss. There are always spoil sports who have no other way but resort to their ego and that's how the party usually end quick. If that's how it's done here then I'll help pave your way and see what you got. To be fair, this isn't the only site that has a pack who roam around to mark their territory by spraying on unsuspecting ones who know nothing about their culture. This very packs are also the ones who travel abroad expecting the locals to bend over backwards for them.

 

TheNixer

Well-known member
Synergy, take it easy. There's not going to be a winner in a conversation like this. I think you had most if not all of your questions answered.

 
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