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Mac plus goes haywire at startup.

Hello, I have this macplus which seems to be working perfectly except when I first start it up. I believe something in the horizontal scan circuit is going wrong in a quite alarming way. :O Here's a quick clip showing what I mean -


On the video it is quiet but in person the sound is quite loud. What you can't see in the video is that there are visible sparks discharging at the CRT. I can't quite tell if they are inside or outside the tube. Some further information -

If I disconnect just the horizontal scan from the tube this doesn't happen, no clicking, no sparks, immediate bong and a nice straight vertical line on the screen.

If I disconnect just the vertical scan, I get sparks etc, the horizontal line is not so straight, it has a small sinusoidal wave to it. This isn't noticable in the full picture but I don't know if this is normal?

Notice on the video, at first power on, it takes a while and bunch of clicks to get going, subsequent power ons take less time to settle down.

The machine appears to be working perfectly once it is going, all the analogue board adjustments are correct.

All electrolytics caps have been replaced, all yoke connectors and flyback resoldered. Flyback seems to measure correctly according to the analogue repair guide, though it's hard to be sure with such low resistances.

What I think is happening is that the horizontal scan is up and running before the CRT has warmed up causing a build up and discharge of voltage in the tube. I've read this kind of thing can happen in vacuum devices if HT is applied before the cathode has warmed up. I only know a little about <400V audio valve circuits and this isn't really a big issue there though it supposedly is what the standby switch is for. I gather the clicking is the crowbar protection in the PSU resetting. It certainly seems like it is clicking for about the time it might take for a vacuum element to heat up. What I don't know is if this indicates a CRT on the way out or if there is supposed to be some kind of warm up timer to delay the startup of the horizontal scan. I guess a drifted resistor value could cause this fault in such a circuit. Any thoughts?

It is a european voltage analogue board by the way. I have only been able to find schematics for the US version. I read the circuit is much the same after the AC step down but the layout and component numbering is just different enough to make it difficult for me to find things.

 

nvdeynde

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I'm thinking of a faulty deflection yoke, there can be a short in the coil. Have you tested it or do you have a spare around from another Compact Mac ?

You wrote you had recapped the Analog board: did you replace the film capacitors too including the small red one's ( above the brightness knob ) and the 3.9uf Bi-polar one + the axials ? In short everything except for the Ceramic capacitors.

Try measuring the voltage of the +12v, +5 and expecially -12v line while you power it on and it behaves weird: what values do you get ?

 
I didn't think about the deflection coils being faulty, no spares or donor machines unfortunately. How can I test these coils? By the way, when I said I resoldered the yoke connector I didn't mean the actual yoke of the tube, I meant all the plug in connectors on the analogue board and logic board. I haven't done any fiddling with the tube itself.

The caps I replaced are all electrolytics including axials plus C1. I used one of these for C1 -

http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic-Electronic-Components/ECW-F2395JA/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv1cc3ydrPrF0%252bjlB8SXIRuyeoz%252bWgTzuM%3d

I also did the three big blue ceramics just because one of them had a broken leg. I didn't do any of the film caps, I started choosing components for them but after buying all nichicons for the electros, the price was mounting up so I decided to leave the films.

I'm not sure how I can measure the voltages easily during the startup wonkyness. If the clicking is the crowbar, maybe being tripped by whatever is causing the sparking, won't the supplies all just be switching off?

 
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