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IIvi without chime:(

Jockelill

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Hi!
I recently got a IIvi that I want to restore. Took it apart, cleaned and recapped, but it does not make any chime at all and no video output. The board looks very clean (cleaned with ISO) and the power button on the rear works ok. I tested the drives in another machine and they are fine. I haven’t recapped the PSU yet, but there is no leakage from it. Battery is changed. Overall the computer is very clean so I had hoped a simple recap would be enough…

any hints on where to start troubleshooting?

Joakim
 

joshc

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Does the green LED on the logicboard come on? Is the PSU good?

Otherwise I'd be looking at Egret first as with a bad or dirty Egret you will not get a chime/video.
 

Jockelill

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Yeah, green light goes on. I’m not 100 percent sure on the PSU, but it seems ok.

Stupid question, but what’s Egret?
 

volvo242gt

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EGRET chip. The LC series computers and the IIvx series computers use it to control audio and video, etc. If gunk gets on it or underneath it, the chip won't function.
 

Fizzbinn

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Here’s a pic of my IIvx board (pre-recap) pointing out the Egret chip, there is a capacitor real close that can leak electrolyte under the chip. Can be difficult to clean, requiring desoldering/resoldering the chip in some cases. Try to soak and flush it with IPA, scrub the legs with an old toothbrush first.

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Jockelill

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found it. I tried cleaning the whole board again, but no difference. The power switch works and the green light goes on, but nothing else. I’ll try to soak it in IPA
 

Byrd

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Clean neat board! It's a bit tricky to test on the IIvi but I'd be checking the output voltages of the PSU next. How is the RAM?
 

joshc

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check 5v and 12v on the molex header for the hard drive/cd drive with a multimeter with the machine on.
 

Jockelill

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PSU is definitely fine, both HDs are also working as they should, I’m guessing there is something wrong with the egret after all:(.

question, I could strip it for parts, but I know that IIvi is somewhat rare, so, before I strip and scrap it, would it make sense to try and sell it as is instead?
 

jajan547

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PSU is definitely fine, both HDs are also working as they should, I’m guessing there is something wrong with the egret after all:(.

question, I could strip it for parts, but I know that IIvi is somewhat rare, so, before I strip and scrap it, would it make sense to try and sell it as is instead?
If you do decide to sell it PM me but I think you can fix it with a PRAM reset Lots of Macs act weird with low battery.
 

volvo242gt

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Think what I would do is to swap in a Centris or Quadra 650 board into it for now, then put the IIvi board resurrection on the backburner, to be revisited later.
 

joshc

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Try pram reset 10 times but first try pram followed by power off power on.
Where did you find this advice? I cannot find any Apple documentation or otherwise solid source that recommends this practice, and I don't understand why resetting 10 times would be any different to resetting once. Also, the PRAM only holds certain things - and on a IIvx/IIvi shouldn't affect video at all.
 

jajan547

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Where did you find this advice? I cannot find any Apple documentation or otherwise solid source that recommends this practice, and I don't understand why resetting 10 times would be any different to resetting once. Also, the PRAM only holds certain things - and on a IIvx/IIvi shouldn't affect video at all.
Clears and resets PRAM entirely, I understand video is obviously different I'm just offering a suggestion.
 

jeremywork

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On paper one reset is as good as it gets, though for reasons I’ve never completely understood there have been rare occurrences when a redundant reset provokes a different response than a single one. Thinking back to ACMT training I don’t believe Apple ever specified more than one reset, but at our AASP it was something we passed around as anecdotal lore and once in a blue moon it would actually make the difference. Searching around I can’t find any theory corroborating this that isn’t similarly anecdotal (https://www.cnet.com/news/margin-note-why-are-three-chimes-recommended-for-a-pramnvram-reset/) but I’ll throw in a couple hypotheses:

1. The PMU/SMC is frozen/erratic due to a particularly borderline battery voltage, such that the CUDA switch or SMC reset only stalls it again, however a few rapid cycles of the charging circuit bring it above the operating threshold. (In this case NVRAM wasn’t the core problem and is only needlesly reset as a byproduct.)

2. Some nearly nonexistent corrosion/residual moisture exists somewhere and is causing the PRAM reset process to intermittently fault or the NVRAM to re-corrupt. Most of the few times multiple resets worked were on machines with suspected liquid damage that we thought was probably cleaned in time not to leave long-term damage. Recycled junk laptops were useful as shop machines if they could be revived, so on a slow day I found it fun to throw a few together and see what would happen. I used a half dead USB keyboard and modified it to permanently hold the PRAM keys, so on the machines that hadn’t responded to three or four resets I’d just leave it cycling for a while. I think it worked a couple times a year, and I can’t say whether it was 10 resets or 620 resets that finally poked what needed to be poked. Despite being permanently labeled as iffy, they typically stayed revived after this (one I still make use of over a decade later.) If it was ruined to the point of trash anyways, the solution wasn’t likely to be cleanly explainable. Maybe NVRAM legitimately changed, maybe not.

3. A couple capacitors (probably PSU) are marginal enough that a cold start stalls the process of warming them up before they can drift into tolerance, but the rapidly changing load pushes them over the line and the system can begin operating (again, not actually an NVRAM issue.)

4. Weirdo undocumented behavior. E.g. the keyboard-folio that came with my TAM resets most of the variables in its NVRAM (not the device tree [sonnet patch] but yes volume/brightness/AppleTalk,) and refuses to set it to OF mode, while plugging in an AppleDesign keyboard resets all of them and happily allows OF. I think @cheesestraws mentioned after I brought it up that his TAM keyboard behaves differently than an AppleDesign too, but also differently than mine (apologize if I’m remembering that wrong.) This isn’t a case of multiple resets mattering, but anecdotal proof that not every case is documented.

All this said, the chances that a PRAM reset will fix your problem rapidly approach absolute zero within the first three to five. Beyond that you’re probably hoping for a bandaid from heaven. All depends on how much spare time you have, I guess.
 
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