finnaly aquired it

[Metalchic]

i got yet another half dead powerbook 1400 computer, and with it i aquired the parts finnaly to completley rebuild my original PB1400 computer! i also aquired a AMS Roadmaster-15 Laptop (360MHz AMD K6-2 CPU With an intel chipset? ) that is wehre the donor hard drive is gonna come from, when i'm done reassembleing it will look like this

PowerBook1400c/166 laptop computer

Floppy/CDROM module

6/8GB hard drive (dont remember witch)

Mac OS 9.0.4

64MB of ram

PPC 603e 166MHz CPU

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[quinterro]

i also aquired a AMS Roadmaster-15 Laptop (360MHz AMD K6-2 CPU With an intel chipset? ) that is wehre the donor hard drive is gonna come from, when i'm done reassembleing it will look like this
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With some AMD processors if the motherboard was set to a multiplier of 1.5x the chip was set to 6x internally. In this case the bus speed was most likely 60mhz.

 

[Metalchic]

the system bus speed is 66MHz, the clock multiplier is 5.5x, what amazed me was that it was an Intel chipset with an AMD CPU

 

[Mike Richardson]

the system bus speed is 66MHz, the clock multiplier is 5.5x, what amazed me was that it was an Intel chipset with an AMD CPU

If the CPUs are pin compatible... the notebook manufacturer could have gotten the chipsets from Intel and the CPU from AMD because it was cheaper, or the AMD provided some better performance, etc.

 

[Metalchic]

AMD and Intel have been firce compeditors since the begining. the pinout is softdip controled to be compadible with Pentium/Pentium II/AMD K6-2/3/ and other Super Socket 7 and regular socket 7 CPUs, however the BIOS has been downsized for this laptop so it only operates at 66MHz operation instaid of its 66/100MHz FBS normal compadible operation, also the support for Penium/Pentium II Socket 7 CPUs has been removed to make the BIOS ALOT smaller

 

[redrouteone]

As a side note, this article explains why K7 and latter processors are not socket compatible with Intel chips.

In the 1995 settlement, Intel agreed not to challenge AMD's license as long as the company refrained from developing microprocessors that could simply plug into the socket on the PC "motherboard" where Intel's Pentium chips neatly fit. The net result was that AMD was free to stay in the microprocessor business--provided it could not only design and build a competitive chip, but also come up with its own design for the rest of the circuitry that makes up a PC.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/10/15/311537/index.htm

There was Forbes article about 6 years ago with more deal but I can't find it.

 

[Metalchic]

what it was that the Super Socket 7 Design has an identicle physical pin layout to the Socket 7 Design used by Pentium systems. this lead to alot of not only confuion but that Intel took AMD to court but lost for the same reason the Apple v Microsoft over the GUI they used failed. as a comprimise AMD agreed to design there own sockets that were not phyicialy pin compadible with Intel CPUs to prevent future confusion. however this laptop seems to be caugt in a very tiny time vacume where bolth a Socket7 and Super Socket7 CPU can be placedo n thesame mobo and that AMS changed thier name to somthing else. i remember findingg it somwhere else but i dont remember now. regardless it doesnt matter now becasue i've gut the computer for its hard drive and its CPU to use in a desktop computer/

 

[Temetka]

Pretty much any K6-2 / Pentium MMX will run in a Socket 7 board. The Cyrix MII and MediaGX+ CPU's can also run in a Socket 7 board. The K63 can as well, but it is very picky about what chipset it lives with.

The trick is to get a board with a SiS, ALi, or VIA Chipset. I recommend VIA over all the others. Some companies also ignored Intel and bolted a 440HX (instead of the more common VX and TX chipsets) chipset to Socket 7 boards. Didn't really do much except allow the later 266MHz and 300MHz PentiumMMX (NOT Pentium II, that mobile CPU is an entirely different beast, and NEVER ran with the Socket 7 crowd).

Super 7 was a socket 7 board with AGP and USB. A lot of them had breakout cables for Serial, Parallel, and USB. I remember working at a mom 'n' pop shop for a few years during the Socket 7 / Socket 370 / Slot 1 / Slot 2/ and Socket 478 heyday. Building a Super 7 machine was easy, but trying to stuff all those extra cables into a mATX Tower case was not fun.

Super Socket 7 brought some of these technologies to the dying, but still cheap Socket 7 platform:

The 100MHz system bus (75Mhz for Cryix and some AMD at 85MHz and 95MHz)

AGP 1x, 2x, 2x w/sidebanding, 4x

Onboard USB / Firewire

ATA66

On board NIC (most high end Socket 7 boards had this, but it was the $50 super socket 7 board that made it more ubiquitous.)

Basically Super Socket 7 was to bring all of the new cool stuff from the Pentium II machines to the Socket 7 architecture. It did a pretty damned good job of it too. So much so that Intel released the 266MHz Pentium MMX and 300MHz Pentium MMX (both formerly only mobile CPU's) for Socket 7 because AMD was beating them in that arena. At this time in history the Slot A Athlon was still on the drawing board.

 

[Metalchic]

Pretty much any K6-2 / Pentium MMX will run in a Socket 7 board. The Cyrix MII and MediaGX+ CPU's can also run in a Socket 7 board. The K63 can as well, but it is very picky about what chipset it lives with.
The trick is to get a board with a SiS, ALi, or VIA Chipset. I recommend VIA over all the others. Some companies also ignored Intel and bolted a 440HX (instead of the more common VX and TX chipsets) chipset to Socket 7 boards. Didn't really do much except allow the later 266MHz and 300MHz PentiumMMX (NOT Pentium II, that mobile CPU is an entirely different beast, and NEVER ran with the Socket 7 crowd).

Super 7 was a socket 7 board with AGP and USB. A lot of them had breakout cables for Serial, Parallel, and USB. I remember working at a mom 'n' pop shop for a few years during the Socket 7 / Socket 370 / Slot 1 / Slot 2/ and Socket 478 heyday. Building a Super 7 machine was easy, but trying to stuff all those extra cables into a mATX Tower case was not fun.

Super Socket 7 brought some of these technologies to the dying, but still cheap Socket 7 platform:

The 100MHz system bus (75Mhz for Cryix and some AMD at 85MHz and 95MHz)

AGP 1x, 2x, 2x w/sidebanding, 4x

Onboard USB / Firewire

ATA66

On board NIC (most high end Socket 7 boards had this, but it was the $50 super socket 7 board that made it more ubiquitous.)

Basically Super Socket 7 was to bring all of the new cool stuff from the Pentium II machines to the Socket 7 architecture. It did a pretty damned good job of it too. So much so that Intel released the 266MHz Pentium MMX and 300MHz Pentium MMX (both formerly only mobile CPU's) for Socket 7 because AMD was beating them in that arena. At this time in history the Slot A Athlon was still on the drawing board.

HAHA, not entirely correct, you see this AMS Roadmaster-15 is a completely differnt Beast all together. you see its running a standard Desktop CPU in this thing, i'll gget you an picture if you don belive me.

the socket7 and super socket 7 issudes aside, i took teh 4GB HDD form this Roadmaster and installed it into my PowerBook1400, got MacOS8.1.0 booted up on it, however i cant seem to make alcahol 120% burn a copy of MacOS 9.0.4 (i alaways make a backup of my software disks incase the originals get destroyed or to scratched to use)

 

[Temetka]

I was just providing info on the whole Super 7 issue. Having lived and worked with all manner of hacked together PC's back in the day, I (unfortunately) still remember a lot of it.

You are right though. Your laptop isn't the only kind to be hacked together. Compusa has a line called the AmeriNote. That was hacked together. Sagers and Winbooks were also hacked together. However I did encounter far less hacking in the Intel based laptops as opposed to the AMD / Cyrix laptops.

Heck right now I scored a free Compaq Presario 1247 laptop. It's K62 based and is also hacked together. Looks great though, I'll start a conquest thread when I get some pics taken. No need to de-rail your thread.

 

[Metalchic]

I was just providing info on the whole Super 7 issue. Having lived and worked with all manner of hacked together PC's back in the day, I (unfortunately) still remember a lot of it.
You are right though. Your laptop isn't the only kind to be hacked together. Compusa has a line called the AmeriNote. That was hacked together. Sagers and Winbooks were also hacked together. However I did encounter far less hacking in the Intel based laptops as opposed to the AMD / Cyrix laptops.

Heck right now I scored a free Compaq Presario 1247 laptop. It's K62 based and is also hacked together. Looks great though, I'll start a conquest thread when I get some pics taken. No need to de-rail your thread.

haha, its already been derailed. the first post ensured that. the topic was mostly about the PowerBook1400 i breathed life back into for the 10th time (8th if you discount only repalceing the cracked screen)