Apple Mice differences?

[MultiFinder]

I recently got a complete IIc+ system, and it came with "Apple AppleMouse IIc" that works great with it, but I'd rather not use it since it has all the original packaging, manuals, etc. I went ahead and got a mouse off eBay that was described as "Mouse for Apple II/IIe/IIgs/IIc Lisa Mac 128k-Plus". Since these computers all use the same mouse connector, one would assume that the mice are the same. This does not appear to be the case.

When I got my mouse off eBay, it turned out to be a model number M0100 mouse. It does one thing on my IIc+ - it makes the cursor go down. And down until it hits the edge of the screen. That's it. However, the AppleMouse IIc, which is model number A2M4035, works fine. What gives? Did I just waste money on a mouse I can't use unless I get a different computer?

 

[funkytoad]

Well they seem the same;

http://myoldmac.net/cgi-data/gal/albums/userpics/10001/AppleMouse-ADBandSerial.jpg

Are the plugs on both mice exactly the same?

 

[MultiFinder]

Yes, these mice are identical physically in every way, at least from the outside. The case, the connectors, all those are the same, except for te stickers and the model number.

Also, here's a good site for comparisons:

http://www.decodesystems.com/apple-mice.html

I have the first mouse, only the one described in the note. That's my M0100.

I also have the last one. That's the IIc Mouse.

Oh, I should also note that the IIc mouse has one screw at the bottom while the M0100 has two screws up at the top.

 

[Academician]

Because the Apple \\c has a few architectural differences from the \\e and the Macintosh (which I assume the M0100 was probably designed for) I would suspect that the mouse controller architecture is just enough different to make the mouse not work as it should.

That being said, I'm definitely not an expert on the subject, so it could possibly be that the mouse is defective. If you have an older Compact Mac that accepts the db-9 mouse that would be a sure fire way to test it...

-Academician

 

[MultiFinder]

Unfortunately, my oldest Mac is my Classic.

 

[funkytoad]

beats me by a year

 

[Patrickool93]

The same happened with my M0100 and my //c+. I don't know...

 

[MultiFinder]

The same happened with my M0100 and my //c+. I don't know...

Ah, well, if you've had issues, then I guess that they just aren't compatible...

 

[funkytoad]

but now I really wan to know why.

There must me some diffrences in the inner workings of the mice.

 

[wgoodf]

The same happened with my M0100 and my //c+. I don't know...

Ah, well, if you've had issues, then I guess that they just aren't compatible...

i had the same issue with my //c and my Mac Plus mouse - they should work but they dont.

i think it was an original spec issue where things were not quite sorted out yet.

i think later revisions did work, or, erm was it that earlier revisions worked...

umm!

 

[Scott Baret]

Although an Apple II needs an Apple II specific mouse, all of them work fine on a Mac and probably a Lisa as well.

I use a Mouse IIc on my Mac Plus and it works great. The more recessed button with the heavier feel is what I like about it.

 

[applefreak]

apple mouse

http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/macintosh/mouse.html

 

[luddite]

Mice with an M part number are Macintosh mice, whereas an A2 in the part number designates an Apple II model... however, not all Mac mice are incompatible with Apple IIs. It seems to depend largely on where they were manufactured as the various manufacturers apparently did things different. AFAIK all Apple II mice will work on Macs, but not the other way round.

 

[Academician]

Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you knew a program that utilized the Mouse on the Apple //e. In a recent grab I got a M0100 mouse and I want to test whether or not it is compatible with my Apple.

I tried a little googling but I didn't turn up anything reliable. I still have yet to burn copies of the system masters yet so maybe there's something on there that works...

-Academician

 

[luddite]

Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you knew a program that utilized the Mouse on the Apple //e. In a recent grab I got a M0100 mouse and I want to test whether or not it is compatible with my Apple.

Here's a couple of programs you can type in at the Applesoft prompt:

10  HOME $ = CHR$(4) 
20  PRINT D$"IN#4" 
30  INPUT A,B,C 
40  PRINT D$"IN#0" 
50  VTAB 10: PRINT A,B,C 
60  GOTO 20

Move the mouse around and click the button to see the effect.

Control-C to exit.

10  HOME : D$ = CHR$(4) 
20  PRINT D$ ; "PR#4" : PRINT CHR$(1) : REM INIT 
30 PRINT D$ ; "PR#0" 
40 PRINT D$ ; "IN#4" 
50  INPUT "" ; X ,Y, S 
60 VTAB 10 : PRINT X ; "  "Y"  "S"  " 
70 IF S > 0 THEN 50 
80 PRINT D$ ; "IN#0" 
90 PRINT D$ ; "PR#4" : PRINT CHR$(0) 
100 PRINT D$ ; "PR#0"

Try searching comp.sys.apple2 on Google Groups for more.

 

[Academician]

I typed those in in the Control+Reset console and didn't seem to get anywhere with them. If I'm typing it in the wrong spot, which is more than likely, please point me in the right direction.

I had about the same luck with some various programs I found on that google group as well...wish I could get ADT working so I could burn a mouse using program for my //e :\

Alternatively, could I swap the mouse card into my GS and use the mouse there? Small brainstorm there but may be worth a shot.

Thanks for the help so far.

-Academician

 

[luddite]

I typed those in in the Control+Reset console and didn't seem to get anywhere with them. If I'm typing it in the wrong spot, which is more than likely, please point me in the right direction.
I had about the same luck with some various programs I found on that google group as well...wish I could get ADT working so I could burn a mouse using program for my //e

*something* should work... try this one, just to make sure there's nothing wrong with the IIe:

] NEW [return]
] 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" [return]
] RUN [return]

(don't type the "]" or "[return]" that's just for clarity)

Alternatively, could I swap the mouse card into my GS and use the mouse there? Small brainstorm there but may be worth a shot.

It'll work, you just have to set up the control panel accordingly.

 

[Academician]

That little tidbit of code you gave me worked fine.

I did end up trying the mouse card in my GS and it worked fine, so I know it isn't a hardware problem.

The mouse card is in Slot 4 of the //e, for clarification. I may try it in another slot just to see if it makes any difference.

When I enter the second mini-program that you posted above I get some output after RUN-ing it. I get text saying IN#4, then PR#0, then a prompt. If I just hit enter I get ?REENTER. Moving the mouse or clicking doesn't seem to do anything.

Hope that gives you a better clue as to what's happening =]

-Academician

 

[Mac128]

These documents shed some light on the subject:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=6383

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=7522

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=136

THis last article indicates as mentioned on other sites that the IIc/+ had a mouse ID signal on pin-1 in order to differentiate between a joystick and a mouse. THe Macintosh mouse jumpers pins 1&3.

Scott Baret mentions above he uses the IIc mouse on his Macintosh. Is it the A2M4015 or is the the earlier M0100 listed as Style 3 at this link?: http://www.decodesystems.com/apple-mice.html

I find it interesting that a different pin wiring will work on the Macintosh but not on the IIc.

Does anyone have an original IIc Plus (Platinum) mouse? I am curious if the A2M4015 was changed to platinum or if they simply used the Macintosh Plus mouse design across the board.

I am equally curious as to why they would give the obviously uniquely wired, styled & coloured IIc mouse the exact same model number as the Macintosh.

Lastly, I wonder why Apple chose to stick with the original Macintosh mouse design when they released the Plus (which was modified by Frog Design), rather than update to the IIc design mouse (designed by Frog). Is the Macintosh design preferred to the IIc design by most people?