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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #2

Hi guys, sorry for more networking questions, I’m using a centrecom AUI to 10Base-T Ethernet Transceiver, is that compatible with my se/30 NIC card as I’ve just read apple used Aaui protocol? Do i need a crossover cable instead of standard cat5? Any suggestions to get my mac online would be appreciated 

neal

 

beachycove

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #3

Is it connected through a dumb hub? That is often what is necessary.

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #4

Its a shiva v32 nic i have but with the 15 pin and bnc type connectors 

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #5

I wish it just had a RJ45 standard type  as I’ve never managed to get my se/30 online/networked. All my other macs just work. 

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #6

Its one of these https://m.ebay.com/itm/Shiva-EtherPort-SE30-Network-Card-for-Apple-Macintosh-SE-30-Working-/223048236882?ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Ficep_ff3%3D2%26pub%3D5574933636%26toolid%3D10001%26campid%3D5337487965%26customid%3D%26mpre%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fitm%2FShiva-EtherPort-SE30-Network-Card-for-Apple-Macintosh-SE-30-Working-%2F223048236882%26srcrot%3D711-53200-19255-0%26rvr_id%3D1837710968216%26rvr_ts%3D9721c1cf1680ab641b441f3fffffa757&_mwBanner=1&_rdt=1&ul_noapp=true

 

Johnnya101

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #7

Honestly, at this point, I would buy a Netgear EN104TP hub. Should run you about $10-$20. I KNOW THIS WORKS, as thats what I used with mine, and there will be no guessing game. If you cannot get it working with that, then you can rule out the hub.

 

Johnnya101

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #8

Oh, and Id pick up one of these

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asante-Friendly-Net-AUI-thin-To-Ethernet-Adapter-Untested-As-Is-Used/173584372644?hash=item286a6f53a4:gswAAOSww9xZBRo-:rk:9f:0

 

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Paralel

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #9

Johnnya101 said:

Oh, and Id pick up one of these

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Asante-Friendly-Net-AUI-thin-To-Ethernet-Adapter-Untested-As-Is-Used/173584372644?hash=item286a6f53a4:gswAAOSww9xZBRo-:rk:9f:0

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I don't think that will work with the hardware he has.  Despite the title of the listing, that is not AUI, it is AAUI. They are not mutually compatible.

AAUI is a dense 14 pin D type connector:

AUI is a standard size 15 pin DB-15 type connector:

 

Johnnya101

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #10

Oops, meant this one. Was looking at both at the same time.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F172400702743

Little pricey... But that ways it's straight through, no adapters . Might be cheaper to just find a "real" ethernet card.

 

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Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future

Staff member

• Jan 29, 2019

• #11

Introducing more thinnet shouldnt' be necessary, although it might be fun.

I'd say, for the moment being, follow the advice of adding a dumb hub.'

Before you do that though, what do the lights on the adapter and your switch look like? Do they recognize each other and are there link lights? If so, a hub probably isn't needed, and something is misconfigured or not enabled in the software.

 

Unknown_K

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #12

You can buy AUI transciever for ethernet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-entreCOM-ETHERNET-TRANSCEIVER-RJ45-to-AUI-converter-mx20t-210TS-210t-100/202521321704

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #13

Paralel said:

I don't think that will work with the hardware he has.  Despite the title of the listing, that is not AUI, it is AAUI. They are not mutually compatible.

AAUI is a dense 14 pin D type connector:



AUI is a standard size 15 pin DB-15 type connector:

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I have the 15 pin bottom one which looks like AUI connector then?

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #14

I have a 10base switch I brought only a few weeks ago as my old one wasn’t auto switching, I’ve had the transceiver for some time the one below.  I’m just not sure if I’m doing anything wrong?

now for all i know the shiva may not even work as I’ve never seen it working it was in the se/30 when I brought it so have no idea although the lights on the transceiver come on to say there’s a connection but thats it, same with the transceiver I don’t know if that works either but again lights come on so I presume it does, as for cables I’m just using standard cat5. Settings are the same as my PowerPc in TCP/IP so I’m stumped 

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #15

Johnnya101 said:

Honestly, at this point, I would buy a Netgear EN104TP hub. Should run you about $10-$20. I KNOW THIS WORKS, as thats what I used with mine, and there will be no guessing game. If you cannot get it working with that, then you can rule out the hub.

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Definitely worth a try Jonny although i think trying to find out the problem area first rather than buying more bits is the way forward at the moment. I mean I presume i can do something like a ping test to check the nic works? then check the transceiver as i know nothing about them, followed by cable and router. The router works fine on the PowerPc and imac g3. Should i be using open transport? Should i assign a static IP address etc etc... i just don’t know where to start really 

 

Johnnya101

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #16

Easy thing to do to see if your SE is at least showing up is to turn on the SE, set up whatever TCP program you have to the best of your knowledge, connect all your cables, etc (Not in that order. You know what to do in what order). Once its all on and connected, download a network viewer app on your phone or computer, one that scans the network (LANscan type thing), and see if your SE shows up. if it does, then you are good to go, and its a software thing. If not, then it is probably hardware.

Theres a 90% chance it will not show up if you dont have a dumb hub. You need a dumb hub first. And thats mostly with all of the older macs.

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #17

Thanks Jonny, never heard of of those apps before sounds a great idea. I’ll do that first. Neal

 

Paralel

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #18

Use a loopback to test the card and the transceiver. If that fails, you know you have a hardware problem with the card or the transceiver. (the chance that it is the transceiver is very low, they are very simple devices)

 

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SE30_Neal

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #19

Paralel said:

Use a loopback to test the card and the transceiver. If that fails, you know you have a hardware problem with the card or the transceiver. (the chance that it is the transceiver is very low, they are very simple devices)

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Loopback Paralel.  Loop what where?

 

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Paralel

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• Jan 29, 2019

• #20

SE30_Neal said:

Loopback Paralel.  Loop what where?

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It's something you can attach after the transceiver that will allow you to test the hardware in your machine to see if its functional. It will help give you a better idea of where the problem might be.

It's a little Ethernet plug:

It looks like an ethernet plug that has its cable chopped off, but its supposed to be just a blind end. The loopback plug will allow you to test your system hardware

 

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