Anyone have a copy of "AppleTalk Phase 2 Protocol Specification" (C0144LL/A)?

[NJRoadfan]

Nothing has come up at all in my searches. Now that slide deck has something that might have been mentioned in the original document. Namely the overview of the algorithm for a node to bootstrap determine its network address.

 

[Realitystorm]

Nothing has come up at all in my searches. Now that slide deck has something that might have been mentioned in the original document. Namely the overview of the algorithm for a node to bootstrap determine its network address.

I assume you took a look at the phase 2 training material on the AppleTalk for Programmers CD? You need to install Macromedia Director to view it (SN on the installation disk image). There is also the Apple LAN Literacy Course

 

[NJRoadfan]

Took a look at the materials on the AppleTalk for Programmers CD. Sadly nothing too detailed in the lessons, but there is a really nice HyperCard stack with the various AppleTalk packet format graphics in it.

 

[Realitystorm]

Too bad, if I find anything else phase 2 relevant as I go through reference CDs I will let you know

 

[Mk.558]

I doubt you'll find it on those CDs. APDA stuff wasn't normally on that stuff. Consider this: Have we found other APDA documentation/publications there? There might be DTS notes or other things, but not stuff like R0070LLA: AppleTALK for Unix v.4.

 

[Realitystorm]

Has anyone tried reaching out to one of the Authors for this?
I managed to get a hold of Alan Oppenheimer and he did not have a copy, but has anyone tried Rick Andrew or Gursharan S. Sidhu? If not I will try to reach out to them next month once my LinkedIn resets to allow me to do more connection requests.

 

[luRaichu]

Try http://discmaster.textfiles.com - tick the boxes to search in filename, content, deep and omit duplicates

 

[Mk.558]

Already tried that

Think the only way it might pop up is if Al Kossow manages to get ahold of it somehow and throw it up on bitsavers. Like some of the other manuals I've got my eye on, I know they're out there, well maybe, I have a sneaking suspicion it might be really boring.

 

[NJRoadfan]

I finally tracked down the Usenet post that indicates that this document has additional information that Inside AppleTalk 2nd Edition lacks. See: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.protocols.appletalk/c/YcJkQ8t8e7Q/m/EjOUlKL3KL8J

This post dates to 1992, so well after the revised Inside AppleTalk was released. The post does have this bit of information:

If you are implementing an AppleTalk node or router, you must have this document. Simple as that.

 

[al kossow]

There is a copy of the APDA document
on ebay right now I'm going to try to buy.
Please don't bid against me.

I had to pay a fsck-ton of money for the AppleTalk PC APDA document and I'd rather not go
through that again.

 

[adespoton]

There is a copy of the APDA document
on ebay right now I'm going to try to buy.
Please don't bid against me.

I had to pay a fsck-ton of money for the AppleTalk PC APDA document and I'd rather not go
through that again.

Too bad a bunch of us bidding pennies for the document wouldn't have any effect! Getting these documents digitized secures a significant piece of usable history.

 

[NJRoadfan]

That be "No low ballers, I know what I've got!" pricing. It also shows that this thread fulfilled its purpose.

 

[al kossow]

The prices from "andriipavliak_08" are MUCH worse

In general, ccmp pricing on eBay have passed into the "ludicrous speed now" category
from people who haven't got a clue what is valuable and what isn't.

 

[Mk.558]

If you get it, will we get color scans instead of black & white?

E: I thought I recognized that username. Is he the guy with LaserShare priced, along with some others, at frankly obscene prices? 750$ for a floppy disk? Which we have no guarantee that it even works?

I've got my eye on LaserShare, but I'm not spending that kind of money for software nobody needs.

 

[NJRoadfan]

So the auction ended at an eye popping price....

 

[shirsch]

Did it go to anyone we know?

 

[al kossow]

http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/communications/AppleTalk/AppleTalk_Phase_2_Protocol_Specification_19890630.pdf

http://bitsavers.org/pdf/apple/communications/AppleTalk/C0144LLA_AppleTalk_Phase_2_Protocol_Specification_Addendum_1989.pdf

And the flying fickle finger of fate award goes out to the jackass that tried to outbid me three times.

 

[shirsch]

Wow. Just wow. I'm glad it worked out in the end - but sorry your wallet took the hit.

 

[NJRoadfan]

Ugh.....its worse when its actually shill bidding. Thank you for the scans. A lot of detail in here that is missing from Inside AppleTalk 2nd Edition. @Tashtari and others writing AppleTalk routers will find this helpful.

 

[Mk.558]

Sorry to hear about that.

Looks like this document has some slight differences versus the Second Edition. For example, it describes the ZIP reply packet differently. We could probably compare the two in the real world by running AppleTalk version 53 with a later version like version 56 or 57 with a packet capture utility. Otherwise I think it's an interesting document: it was probably pulled after the Second Edition came out in what looks like 1990 but they needed an interim document to help developers catch up to Phase 2 while they were working on the Second Edition.