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Romin-ator II woes in a Macintosh IIfx

jasa1063

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I have tried just about everything I can think of the get a Romin-ator II to fit securely in my Macintosh IIfx. I have tried everything from rubber bands to shims to no avail. The Romin-ator II eventually comes loose and I have to push it back into place again. I finally gave up and went back to the original ROM SIMM and have had no issues since. Is there a ROM SIMM replacement that would fit better?
 
Some of the custom ROM SIMMs use thinner PCBs and therefore don't fit correctly into the slots. However, I've never had one come loose. Is your problem caused by the metal latches not firmly gripping the SIMM?
 
Some of the custom ROM SIMMs use thinner PCBs and therefore don't fit correctly into the slots. However, I've never had one come loose. Is your problem caused by the metal latches not firmly gripping the SIMM?
It seemed pretty secure when I checked that. I just think the thinner PCB is most likely the issue. I may try thickening the metal contacts with some solder.
 
I would have expected the IIfx rom socket to be fine with modern roms that are thinner. I haven’t had an issue. I am using the CayMac universal rom and I believe it’s thinner than stock just like the rominator.

I had an issue with pcb thickness on my SE/30 for which I replaced the rom socket. That’s a better fix than trying to modify the rom itself. But that’s problem I thought only really impacted sockets with plastic clips.
 
There's nothing magic about the metal clip sockets. I have an SE/30 that simply will not work reliably with a BMOW Rom SIMM, even after bending the clips in a bit. That helped, but it still crashed intermittently. I tried building up the contacts with solder. Again it helped a bit but not enough. I went back to my original Downtown Doug Brown 2MB SIMM and it's solid again. Doug used a thicker PCB stock that's apparently not common anymore.

Recently I picked up a couple of shims from CayMac and will give those a try the next time the machine is apart.
 
New rom sockets I picked up from PE under recommendation from @zigzagjoe made an immediate difference on my two SE/30 boards. Same modern ROMs wouldn’t work on the stock plastic clip sockets. The new sockets worked for the stock ROMs too. My guess was the plastic clips slightly deformed over time. But that’s just my experience. And again, had no issues with the stock metal clipped ones on my IIfx and IIci’s.
 
Absolutely. Something just plain gets out of tolerance. In my case the socket looks slightly bowed in the horizontal plain. The DDB SIMM is rigid enough to pull it into alignment. The BMOW SIMM flexes with it.
 
My IIci's socket with metal clips has gotten really loose because of all the testing I did of the SIMMs when I was selling them, so they too can go bad. In my case it's probably just from constantly inserting/removing. I believe the parts are rated for only so many insertions.

I went back to my original Downtown Doug Brown 2MB SIMM and it's solid again. Doug used a thicker PCB stock that's apparently not common anymore.

Yep, and it was purely by accident, haha! When I first did the project with the 2 MB SIMMs, it was the first time I ever designed a PCB. I ordered the boards from Seeed Studio and they were more like 1.3mm instead of 1.2mm, even though I specifically ordered 1.2mm because it was the closest they had. Heck, I don't think I even knew the correct thickness was 1.27mm at that time. I thought it was odd they were thicker than I asked for, but they fit snugly in the sockets just fine and I was happy. I had no idea what was about to come after that point with everything being too thin. I wonder if they were still making them as 1.27mm at that time, or if I got lucky with tolerances, or what.

Then, when I designed and ordered the 8 MB version, and other stuff like the IIfx RAM, those PCBs were actually 1.2mm. I didn't notice any problems with my testing, but a bunch of SE/30 users ran into issues. Adding solder to the SIMM contacts can help, but it's difficult to add a thin layer evenly, and I would guess that if you make it too thick it'll damage your socket.

Every time I've tried to order 1.2mm PCBs since then, I have never been able to hit the jackpot like I originally did. They're always right around 1.2mm. I believe BMOW eventually found a vendor that can do a special process to make them slightly thicker, so his more modern SIMMs are better.
 
I think the real answer is a standard PCB size (i.e. too small for proper fit in the vintage sockets) with a shim soldered to one side.
 
I would have expected the IIfx rom socket to be fine with modern roms that are thinner.
My experience has been the opposite. My IIfx struggled with the stock ROM because of a weak ROM socket.
I don't know if I am going to try this or not. It's working fine with the original ROM SIMM. I leaning towards just leaving it the way it is.
Yes, this is what I would recommend too. Custom ROMs are overrated and not as useful as people think.
 
I'll second the suggestion for the ROMSHIMMs. Fixed a bunch of annoying problems on one of my SE/30's. Not shipping to the USA at the moment because we're too busy winning.
 
I'll second the suggestion for the ROMSHIMMs. Fixed a bunch of annoying problems on one of my SE/30's. Not shipping to the USA at the moment because we're too busy winning.
There is shipping to the US right now, but only expedited shipping is available.
 
I just got done installing a ROMSHIMM in both of SE/30s and again these make all the difference. The creative people in the Retro computing community never cease to amaze me. Just one more thing that makes this hobby so much fun and rewarding!
 
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