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Time for the penguin to whip out more info...(least im earning my name and rank )

http://level37.tripod.com/images/ebaycomps.jpg

I labeled them to best of my knowledge of models and who wanted what. Tell me if i should change anything while i still have it brought up on my comp...

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Let's see if we can make it to 30! We'll test the threshold of the PHP software!

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that'll never happen with the new landscape sig format! we're now operating under a handicap!

jt ™.
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What exactly has to happen for Ti to start shipping stuff? I don't want to be a pest, but i'm bored to death and this is the only remotely exciting thing that's happening.

I would like to put in a request for a couple fans and an AAUI tranciver.

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that'll never happen with the new landscape sig format! we're now operating under a handicap!

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I forgot i resumed serving my http again since i boosted the server's ram up to 128 MB. Soooooo....

Either copy & paste that other link or use my site:
http://torpedobird.com/images/ebaycomps.jpg

And unless Earthlink has a strict hold on bandwidth u should all be able to view...

~The Penguin

P.S.- Since im a geek and all, i figured id time how long it took to scroll this thread (in reply mode so u gots all the pages at once) by just holding the mouse down on the arrow....

2 minutes and 22 seconds of whirring words

Macintosh Computer Information

Mystery 7200s

1) a G3 233Mhz Desktop, has a Rage Pro II with DVD, no ram no hd, with Cache (stickers indecate a prototype)* With a Ghost ROM

2) a PowerLogic Manthan Motherboard, Bare with CD and Floppy no CPU card (stickers indecate a prototype)

3) Absolutly bare bones, only motherboard, strange on board words are spread out, like Dracula, and other words, look at pictures (stickers indecate a prototype)

Mystery Performas

1) a 6420 with 120Mhz 603e, 16 RAM, OS 8, TV, 3 GIG HD. only released in Europe, Machines tells meits from Singapore, must have never been released, there is no 120Mhz only 200Mhz (stickers indecate a prototype)*

2) ) a 6420 with 120Mhz 603e, 8 RAM, OS 7.5, TV, 3 GIG HD. only released in Europe, Machines tells meits from Singapore, must have never been released, there is no 120Mhz only 200Mhz (stickers indecate a prototype)

3) I imagine the same machines, this has no motherboard, just video port and TV card in it. (stickers indecate a prototype)

Mystery Mini Towers

1) One is a 8600/9600 bare with just motherboard (stickers indecate a prototype) PEx mobo

2) a 8600/9600 bare just motherboard (stickers indecate a prototype)

3) Special one, same as others but has wide scsi on board and external port. (stickers indecate a prototype)* PowerExpress, the original one with notes on mobo.

Mystery 6100 and Performa

1) the 6100 is a prototype (stickers indecate a prototype) has matching RAM, a Video card with S video and DB15, Cache, CD, Floppy, looks in good condtion

2) Performa has no motherboard, just case and internal cables and a TV card with a monitor port.

Mystery 9500

1) just a plan PowerMac 9500 here, no CPU card, just case and mobo.

There are enough cd drives to go around to load these up, I can put bezels and trays on all these also. The keyboards are spoken for there are 2 and they where called I think.

Jeremy

"I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd

Jeremy

"I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd

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Btw, No mini tower mobo has a ROM.

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those PLCC sockets on the PEx mobo on fritter have what i assume to be labeled ROMs in them. they appear to be the same package (IC form factor) as the ROMs on the Duo MiniDock and several of my graphics cards. i don't recall seeing a slot for a ROM card on the PEx board, did i miss something? Z put links to the relevant pics on the first page as i recall.

Ti, if you get a chance, take shots of the mobos in all the PEx cases so we can try to figure out how to proceed. any differences between them might prove important clues in getting any of them to work at all.

the specs on any CPU cards in them will be EXTREMELY important to any attempt to determine what kind of ROMs might have a chance of working.

Jeremy

"I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd

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Neither. There isn't really a point, and it will just add clutter and megs to the topic database.

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Aww. I wanted too. But if the boss sez no, denn we must do it behind 'is back.

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those PLCC sockets on the PEx mobo on fritter have what i assume to be labeled ROMs in them. they appear to be the same package (IC form factor) as the ROMs on the Duo MiniDock and several of my graphics cards. i don't recall seeing a slot for a ROM card on the PEx board, did i miss something? Z put links to the relevant pics on the first page as i recall.

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As for the Mini Towersthe motherboards, the PEx mobo's have no onboard video and I don't have a PCI VIdeo card on hand nor the ROM. As for pictures I can't help my Quicktake is not working right now, I will try to get the imformation you guys wanted and check back/

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As far as I know. The ROM's on all production systems are soldered on.

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*gathers senses*
Ok, hypothetically if somebody were to find the roms via software, how would we get those onto a chip? I'm sorry if i'm stupid about this kind of thing, but I don't know. As far as I can remember, i don't think I've ever seen just rom images of ppc. That doesn't mean that they can't be found. I'll put as much effort as I can. I'd rather do that than clean my room.

WAIT!!! HAD A THOUGHT!!!

WHY DON'T WE CONTACT THE DUDE WHO HAS THE ONE ON APPLEFRITTER AND SEE IF WOULD GET A ROM IMAGE?!?!? Sorry about the caps.. I wanted to get that out.

EDIT: I just noticed that the info was posted anonymously, so that's out. Crap. Maybe Mike at xler8yourmac.com has some ideas of where to go. He seems to be VERY knowledgeable.

I'll start looking for images. I don't have a clue of where to start. Is preterhuman up? they might have it.

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Heavy Weapons Specialist
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Liberated Macs: 12

Although i am currently talking to people on the server in the chat room and i quote on user "I saw bootstrap code for it in OS X
" which made him think that it was newworld ROMs. Which i had been thinking about in the back of my mind, but i wasn't sure about saying it here and sounding really dumb (although, that may still be the case)

that user suggested going to applefritter for more info, and i said i would, but I might not be the best diplomat for fritter since i've never posted there, nor do i know anybody besides the mla members.

BTW, nobody believed me that I was looking for ROMs for 4 separate PEX machines. That also didn't help matters much.

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Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
Liberated Macs: 12

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Logic board included several custom controllers, including FatMan, Sixty6, and an Apple/Cirrus Logic video controller on board. A custom A/V architecture was also implemented, with a new style DAV slot.

This information and these pictures were kindly provided by an anonymous contributor.

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So are we absolutely certain that we are dealing with powerexpress boards? Could they be 9500/9600 protoype boards? Just a thought.

Sorry about all the posts, i'm posting stuff as soon as i see it.

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My feeling right now is that the white socket farthest right is a rom sim slot. I feel that way because it looks EXACTLY like the one in my powercurve. If this was the case couldnt we salvage a rom simm out of an older powermac?

I realize the brown slot is the daughtercard slot but what is the bottom white slot that looks exactly like a full pci slot?

Anyway you get the feeling that the PEx at Apple Fritter actually works, then how could the rom be soldered on if he removed it for the picture?

I'm not even getting one of these machines, i just want to get this cleared up so we can SHIP.

Ok, what about using the rom from penguins beige g3 in these boards, and see what that does. Of course that assuming that they DO have onboard video. Atleast that would give us without jumping and buying random roms.

I would open my 8500 and look closer at the mobo, but it's too big of a pain right now. If you're an owner of one of these machines (Q800, etc.) you understand what i"m talking about.

I've checked around on eBay some prices on ROM DIMMs. Because it is a New World logicboard, you would need a 9700 ROM or a Beige G3 ROM. The 9600 ROM won't work (although if someone has a 8600/9600 ROM and wants to try, information is greatly appreaciated). Beige G3's are fairly pricy on eBay. $55 for a Rev.2 ROM, $75 for a Rev.3. For the Freakintosh, Beige G3 Desktop (if it doesn't already have one), and Manhattan boards, a Rev. 2 will probably be good enough. For the PowerExpresses, a Rev. 3 is probably best.

Right now,. I am dreading the final price of all these upgrades... 2 G3 ROMs, 2 G3 processors, RAM... will probably total me over $300.

(Rev 2 allows for faster than 350MHz G3's and any G4's inside.
Rev 3 allows for 4 ATA devices to be connected (one ATA connector on PExM, 2 on PEx)

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"I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd

Also, my thoughts on that "full length PCI slot" is that it is a video board connector thingie. Yes I am so very technical

~The Penguin

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