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raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 06:07:03 These database engine errors are ****ing rediculous. Why not switch forum software and webspace? _r
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 06:15:34 basically because this hosting is free ... and any other that would meet the forums requirements would not be Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 08:14:21 As I recall, there is also an issue of trust and respect to the original founders of the MLA. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 09:37:39 quote: As I recall, there is also an issue of trust and respect to the original founders of the MLA. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" Yeah thats basically it. Well... We like to call it ÜberGather2k6/7
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 19:02:17 I will personally shoot anyone who wants to migrate unless they pay for all costs.
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 19:28:58 If its the server then you either live with it or pay for a new host. Could it be just the software your running causing problems?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 19:30:07 noo... those errors happen to all of us IIRC, you even posted a message about it unknown... he's talking about those MS JET errors... remember, Microsoft JETs crash... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 19:45:48 quote: I will personally shoot anyone who wants to migrate unless they pay for all costs. Good idea. Btw, this is another reminder that Mordor$oft should never enter the aircraft industry, as their JETs do crash regularly. I've seen enough JETs fall off the web, i don't want to see Mordor$oft JETs falling out of the sky. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 21:11:11 "Microsoft JET, more than for just on September Elevent"™ Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 21:26:43 The company.organization that runs this domain (www.literatureclassics.com) has a package deal and cAnnot run extra software other than what they have. I talked to ~Coxy and even though I was willing to give them a more robust Microsoft Option (The Enterprise SQL Server) they were unable to use it due to a licensing/contract deal. So, we have what we have, there is no changing except for those who want to perhaps add new images or other components that this board supports. You would have to talk to ~Coxy before anything.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 12 Aug 2003 : 21:43:44 ahh... I believe I remember discussion about that... I believe that for a large hosting company to be legally able to use your software would be kinda "weird" anyway... 'twould be "taboo" one would think... especially considering the international borders and the way it just sounds so... "wrong" from the legal standpoint (no matter how right it may be...) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 14:53:41 Would 75 MB of webspace, for free, with PHP and MySQL support, be enough to run these forums on? _r
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 15:30:00 Depends how reliable it is, how much bandwidth we get, and how much room there is to grow. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 16:25:14 It's not a matter of space but bandwidth because forums use up alot of bandwidth.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 16:31:53 Exactly. Last time i heard, the MLA uses more than 1 gig a month as far as bandwidth is concerned. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 17:43:13 Isnt bandwidth a measure of how much content the site can pump out at any given time (how many users can get the webpage at the same exact time) while the monthly usage is just the total amount of data served in that month. Most services have a maximum bandwidth and a maximum usage per month in their price points.
Fedorenko Junior Member Australia 463 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 18:35:01 From what I have read..no. Though it can be used the way you are saying. Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure...
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 18:57:00 that is a good thought, but IIRC, "bandwidth" in this situation means transfer.. this could be a source of alot of confusion... so we use over 1 gb of "transfer" each month... do we have a transfer limit? what is the bandwidth (Internet speed) of the servers @LitClassics? Do we really want to try to move? if you are trying to move the MLA, you obviously weren't here for the last month and a half... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 19:22:56 I'm just glad to see that the mla is back from it's long hibernation. The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 19:41:29 think like The Lightning Stalker (BTW, congrats on hitting 500) be glad that the MLA is up as often as it is... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 13 Aug 2003 : 19:44:31 Congrats! "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 14 Aug 2003 : 03:34:05 hehe .. congrats ... but really 1gb a month isnt that much ... most hosting packages ive seen start with a 5 gig/month transfers ... but powweb seems good ... $7.77/month for 45gb of transfers and 650mb of space ... whats that ... like £5 Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 14 Aug 2003 : 06:04:51 one GB/month? /me faints..... when I had the old Genecomp.NET up, I made MAYBE 31 or 21MB in transfers on the forum... granted, it had nine members (maybe 17...) and about 300 posts total... I haven't been able to run webalizer on any other server/computer since (so I don't know how much transfer I've made like... over ethernet from the tibook...) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
catsdorule Senior Member Canada 1627 Posts	Posted - 14 Aug 2003 : 12:54:28 IIRC it was 4GB a month. Well... We like to call it ÜberGather2k6/7
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 14 Aug 2003 : 18:18:03 Ah, right. Either way, i knew it had to be at least 1GB. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
The Balance Of Judgement Senior Member Ivory Coast 1006 Posts	Posted - 15 Aug 2003 : 15:46:31 Well, Bandwidth isn't cheap and even if companies say they give you so much, if you read the fine print they define what they consider to be "fair use" and if your site draws too much from thier systems, then they can boot you off. Since the dot com bubble burst, the inetrnet isn't the same. You are looking at at least a good 100-200 dollars a year to get reliable and decent webhosting for the MLA. That doesn't even address the issue that ~Coxy posted about before. There was a huge thread on what was refered to "MLA 2.0" and I'm not going to get into it, so needless to say, we are staying here, and I think the general subject of migrating should be dropped. (Hey, it's free! How good is that? )
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 15 Aug 2003 : 16:25:54 Thank you, BoJ. You said it well. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Jobf Junior Member United Kingdom 162 Posts	Posted - 15 Aug 2003 : 17:00:18 Well instead of moving, what about we find someone to actually look at the problem and fix it?!!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 15 Aug 2003 : 17:14:06 That could be a good idea. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 15 Aug 2003 : 17:17:08 I got the same error again this morning for quite a while (after I made a new thread I couldnt get back on).
raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 00:10:27 Would 3 gigs be enough? _r
raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 00:14:52 quote: That doesn't even address the issue that ~Coxy posted about before. There was a huge thread on what was refered to "MLA 2.0" and I'm not going to get into it, so needless to say, we are staying here, and I think the general subject of migrating should be dropped. (Hey, it's free! How good is that? You people are silly. Why? Because you're staying on this POS board. The forum software sucks, the host sucks, but you refuse to migrate. Suit yourselves, and get used to that Microsoft JET Error message. While I too respect ~Coxy, I don't see that as a reason to stay on an outdated board with a sucky host. What I was going to suggest was free as well. And reliable. And pop-up/ad free. In fact, I've used that particular host for more than a year now and I've personally spoken to the owner on several occasions. But hey...if you're too stupid to take a chance, then can you say JET!!? _r
Jobf Junior Member United Kingdom 162 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 02:24:12 Whilst I think we should either move or fix the problem, I don't think we should change the forum software (Snitz). It may not have as many 'features' as phpBB or Invision Power Board, but on a 68k machine (and even low-spec PM's), forums running these boards take an age to render in Netscape 4.08, iCab & IE4. Its all about the content anyway, I don't care if it looks fancy or not.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 03:35:54 quote: Whilst I think we should either move or fix the problem, I don't think we should change the forum software (Snitz). It may not have as many 'features' as phpBB or Invision Power Board, but on a 68k machine (and even low-spec PM's), forums running these boards take an age to render in Netscape 4.08, iCab & IE4. Its all about the content anyway, I don't care if it looks fancy or not. Well said. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 04:00:11 These errors have been here for years. Do you really think they'll be fixed? Bye. _r
Jobf Junior Member United Kingdom 162 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 05:22:47 quote: These errors have been here for years. Do you really think they'll be fixed? They will if we do something about it. Does anyone know anyone who knows ASP? Perhaps they could suggest a solution based on the error messages/logs which they Coxy or someone at LC could implement. Or another option, we get someone at LC to fix it. I for one would be willing to contribute $5 to a fund to get someone to spend some time looking at it. If we could get 10 people, thats a $50 incentive to someone. Or something like that?
~tl Junior Member United Kingdom 312 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 06:26:09 do these errors appear on all the LC forums or just the MLA ???, because if they are on all the forums then its really LCs job to fix them ... from the error messages the error appears to be in a file called "inc_top.asp" how about replacing this with one from a new snitz install, or how about updating snitz to the latest version to see if that fixes it Orcadian MLA Division 68ks Liberated: 2
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 06:41:32 That'd be great, ~tl. Just as long as our current forum setup doesn't get completely hosed. What a huge loss that would be! "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
raWr Junior Member Tuvalu 491 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 12:00:21 Yes, please, let's pay $50 to be able to stay here instead of migrating for free. :\| FEH. _r
Da Penguin Senior Member USA 1094 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 13:07:10 rawr, ur hosting u are showing can barely meet our needs as we have now, let alone as we grow. I'm all for getting this thing updated instead. I/we need to speak to coxy aboot what is truely going wrong on the server, the forums, the server, or what. I believe a simple fix is really all we need to keep these JETs from being an issue. ~The Penguin \| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line \| \| Captain, Intelligence Operations / Space Cowboy \| \| "The choice has been made, but now you must understand it" \|
Gothikon Full Member Australia 537 Posts	Posted - 16 Aug 2003 : 15:50:19 As I've said before I think moving to someones personal server is a really bad idea. As we've seen people come and go from the MLA and not everyone stays friends, despite the best intentions. What if the forums move to homebodies personal server, then they have a falling out and trash the whole thing? I think that would be a lot worse than the odd weekend of downtime, although it is extremely annoying things could be a lot worse. -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube

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