jt

I cut myself a few times on that "post industrial/junkyard-wars" stuff.

I'd have to aggree with GORDOOM - the Color Classic looks the coolest.

jt

SF TimeTravel branch in the flow of history: If the copier-heads at Xerox (Roch. NY) could let the PARC wunderkind free to develop this workstation (not the portable dishwasher part) in 1972, imagine what would have happened had Apple turned Frog Design loose to revolutionize this form-factor when PageMaker/Illustrator and WordPerfect/Lotus123 ruled the earth, on both the business and graphical sides of the. . . . . . . . . *sigh* Steve and his pirate crew saw the prototypes pre-VisiCalc! *seefootnote

http://histoire.info.online.fr/alto.html
http://www.archaic-apples.com/files/xerox/alto/1974_alto.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/pcmuseum/alto.html

* Give me a little leeway on names/dates/etc. on this one, fact-checking takes too much time to justify for a rhetorical question, if they're way off, consider it hyperbole. Back to work, can't keep peekin' back in here.......

Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 22 Jan 2002 14:24:32

I love the sleek lines of my 230, and its trackball grew on me after a long while, but other than the rim around the screen and spindly legs, (the crappy lcd doesn't count here) the 100 was hard to find fault with. That trackball has never had a any real competition. It was the only portable pointer that didn't force keep a mouse in my bag at all times for Fontographer/Illustrator bezier tweaks and spreadsheats, perfection!

jt

hrm. How about a Q605/Trinitron hybrid like:

http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~danabanana/5100.jpg

(I don't think you were around when I first posted that pic :).

I like CC's now - they took a while to grow on me, and I wouldn't mind one, but I'm in no rush. At the moment I think I have all the cases I -really- like. I love the look of my Classic II, and the Quadra 950 has a lovely imposing squareness about it, without being harsh. Two IIci's stacked on top of each other make a cube too - so bonus points for them :). 610's have the pizzabox look without being too restrained on size... and 630's I like too (with their clothes on). Kind of like a Q605 mated a powermac...

(just speaking of powermacs for a second - a 8600/9600 would be nice... I'm sure a quadra board could fit in there nicely...

dana

Now that is wacky! You should submit it to AppleFritter.

I was walking down the hill to the shop last night and had my eyes open as it's goodies on the curb for recycling day today. Ran across a dead (plugged it in just to see) Sharp Personal Word Processor, grabbed it by it's cute little handle........

Looks kind of like this:
http://latimes.pointshop.com/id-1633/ImgUpload/P_185825_201809.gif

At 5 AM this morning, plastic and metal shards littered the workbench/floor........now it's well into the transfomation process:
LC-630/DOS-Compatible/VideoCenter/MSWord-4Win3.1Processor KLUGE!

With a big clear curved window exposing psu components/board lying its side on the left and the (functional/will still be able to pull it out from the back to swap in my 6360) CPU drawer/tray on the right. I just have to find a teeny tiny crt or lcd TV or computer monitor to mount on a post and an hack an EPROM remap of the original kbd-matrix/ADB KBD controller board so I can keep the original keyboard in it.

..............and install neon illumination.
=8-}
jt
p.s. this is the first time I've felt at a disadvantage by not having a Site/homepage whatever for linking 'pegs of my toys, maybe when I have some free time.....

I was here

An amiga 3000T... the only nonmac I think I'd remotely like to own...

:D

dana

jt: technosaur

p.s. I got you by a year, kid ;-)

p.p.s. my posts tend to run a little long, so the detailed/silly stuff has been in footnotes lately.

*I was going to tell you that IDE is actually a 16bit bus, but since Apple can never implement anything correctly the first time around, the 63X only supports one IDE device, so I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. As far IDE performance, check out:
http://www.lowendmac.com/quadra/q630.shtml
http://www.lowendmac.com/benchmarks/q630.shtml
"Compared with the Quadra 650, which also has a 33 MHz 68040, but uses a SCSI hard drive, the 630 offers virtually identical performance. Since Mac users long considered IDE drives inferior to SCSI drives, this is good to know."

I turned up info on the SCSI being a "two-Bit" implementation in a very funny putdown of the 63X series. Take what this guy says with a grain of salt, some of his comments make me think he may be funnier than technically astute, hopefully he did some fact-checking for his book:
http://www.insanely-great.com/features/010806.html
The 10 Worst Macs Ever Built by Remy Davison
"In a nutshell, you have it. The 630, unlike every other desktop '040, runs the old SCSI chip, which limits SCSI throughput to a max of 3MB/ps."

I may see if a better SCSI controller chip is a workable hack for mine when I 'clock it. Inexpensive, fast, HUGE (20 gig when my Q630/33 was retired), IDE drives on a machine intended to do video capture was probably a VERY good idea, IDE performance took off at about the same point in history and now equals SCSI in all but very high end installations. It's the crippled video subsystem, the empty pads for a second SIMM socket on the mobo, and the serial/com port fiasco that raise my ire. Get yourself a full 040, Clock it to 40MHz and give it another chance, they're sweet machines, IMHO of course.

Like cine' said in another thread, what would this forum be without lunatics arguing about hardware!

Welcome aboard, Rex,
jt

btw: The 6360 is the mobo to upgrade with if you can't get the 50MHz bus 6500 board. I've got a 6360 with a Sonnet 400MHz G-3 card in it. That was my main machine before the G-4/466 at 1024 x 768 even the vidres was almost adequate.

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