I'm offering to permanately host a replacement board. I've had paid hosting since 2001 and I have a lot of free space and bandwidth. I won't be unreliable, I pay the host bill. It's not on some crappy DSL, it's on an OC-3 on a good shared Linux server at AMHosting.net. The only downtime is due to crappy Pacific Bell problems unrelated to AMHosting.

I can host the board, I don't even have to be an admin if you don't want me too. But I'm tired of this place being down. Use whatever board software you want, YaBB (recommended), PHPBB, IkonBoard, Whatever you want.

http://www.silvernetwork.net

I'm sorry, but the posts about changing hosting comes up WAY too often, and no offense against you mike, or anyone, just the general populace, CHECK OLD THREADS FIRST!!!

We have discussed this HUNDREDS of times, and it is NOT going to happen. I know only a handful of people here dedicated enough to the MLA to keep it long term running, and very few, if any, have looked down the road as ~Coxy has.

It may not be perfect, but it will be here after everyone has their flamewars, squabbles, and other disruptive things.

Again, nothing against you Mike, just my general rant. No responses or flames needed.

~The Penguin

I believe that Snitz Forums (whateverversion) is part of this forum's personality, and I personally wouldn't trade that part of the forums, of the community, of my life, for anything...

yes, the MLA is part of my life, part of my daily routine, part of the stuff that makes me "Cory Wiegersma - Computer Genius" I do realize that there are a hundred better hosting and forum packages, and for the most part, even "Crappy DSL" has the potential to be more reliable, but it's just not the same. In addition, I'm not sure if mike is a new user, or if he used to post under a different name... and either way, no offense, alot of what you've done, is borked out about our diomain name what with "taking action" and insulted the way the MLA currently works, and/or it's host and forum software.

If you want to host a forum, I'm sure that there's several kinds of things that there could be a forum about, for which you could host one....

If you don't like the MLA, because of our hosting, then I feel sorry for you, I think you should reevaluate what the liberation of older computers means to you, and I think you should take a good look at this forum, and compare it to the others.

The sense of community, and the quality content of what we post, is what keeps us all coming back for more, consistently.

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I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.

Artillery Commander/Engineer, 68kMLA
Liberated:
LCII , III+, IIci, Q700, 800, and 840av, P550, 410
Contraband: Beige G3/300 MT o/c 400mhz, (2) 6100's
Hotline mirror server:
68k.dyndns.org

I really like coming here, as I've always like old Macs [and new Macs], and the people who post on here… but the regularity of the crashing JETs is very dishearting… I mean if we could place a single Quadra 950 on a pedistol attached to a dialup modem, I might be happier… if it would *always load* even if slow to the bleeding point, that could be nicer than not at all half the time…
What we need is 99.9% reliablity… not 64.3879258346% +/- 20.165462687…

once in a while I would be fine with… but every few weekends, and then some weekdays… it's sad…

I have no problem with Snitz… [unless it causes the JET failures]

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If I open my window all the bugs will get in…That's just one more reason to use a Mac!
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SuperMac C600 180, 240

I have NO PROBLEMS with moving the board so long as you can guarantee me that 3 GB per month (at a minimum) of traffic will not be a problem, and that you can reliably host the forums as far as long-term outlook goes.

Exporting the posts out would be greatly preferable to the alternative, but not required.

I'm all for relability, but not at the cost of what we have here. If you really can prove that things wil workout and such, the please share.

~The Penguin

When I told the people here about it, I phrased some things oddly, so people got the wrong idea about it, and it was completely overmoderated... the (well there were four or five adsmins) went completely wacko (except one or two of them) the entire four-five days of it's life, and it ended up in complete disaster.

One thing, was that the person who hosted it believed he was above everyone else in the administration team.

For another point, there was four or five administrators, the board was barely even 7 members big, and there were five admins, and everyone was a moderator....
(*BAD idea)

On another end, the host guy has this big deal about postcount;++(stupid MAF), so major admnistrative action had been taken, without the approval of everyone..

basically, we made nearly the perfect example of what it'd be nice if a forum wasn't....

So, enough with the rant about v2.0 (which doesn't deserve the holy name of MLA)

That's basically my thought on why the MLA is basically perfect now, (other than our problems with the JETs)

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I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.

I see a connundrum here that has probably been discussed and I am understanding how solutions are being worked on. Seems we have far exceeded the limitations of the hardware this sytem resides on. But, there is not much we can do, since this organization has no economic infrastructure to upgrade. cory, is the MLAgazine an effort to bring revenue into this? I've always liked the ideal of the MLAgazine. . .and as you already probably know, it could bring in some cash, if people like me ever do what we say we are going to do for it (by the way, my digicam is now gone to london, thus I cannot take pics of stuff I am working on. . .).

So we have this forum organization, how can we further it in order to create some sort of economic structure to support a forum/system update for the 68kMLA? Heavy question, so I do not expect brilliance. . .

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I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.

http://www.web-mania.com/

£23.50/year for 500mb space with 6gb/month transfers ... ive been using them for the past few months with no problems ... domains are £15/year or you can use an already registered one for free ... i would definately reccomend them

I'm going to be running the new Genecomp.NET forums on InVisionBoard, or another of the many things I've on my hard drive somewhere....

(Cory's been becoming good at doing some stuff with MySQL on the IW..)

dan

On a side note, we're not the only ones on this host using the ASP forums and it could be the combined usage of us and Litature Classics itself overloading the system at those times.

Giving ~Coxy the reliable space and access to move these forums sounds good to me and I'd fully support it. It's an option that I feel is much better than restarting into a new structure that would change the hierarchy of this place. Everything here is great the way it is aside from that one defect, so that should be the target we seek to change and nothing else.

"One slip and down the hole we fall"

Stryders Community

http://www22.brinkster.com/originalstryder/db/default.asp

Other than that, I think it would be a good idea to just stay here (notice that it's basically been doing better lately?)

or if we moved, to move somewhere where we can still use this ASP forum, if ~Coxy can backup the database from in the forum software, or we can get a "to MySQL" converter or something...

I also believe that moving would be a great idea, IF we upgraded our installation of Snitz. The newer versions have alot of fantastic new features, and from what I understand it's not that hard to upgrade, if we wanted to do that here... (I would highly suggest it! (hint hint hint)

like just lately, I haven't seen an ASP or JET error in over two weeks.

if the newer versions of snitz help us keep personality, fix teh JET errors, and still are having more features, than it's a win-win-win-win, situation

"One slip and down the hole we fall"

Stryders Community

http://www22.brinkster.com/originalstryder/db/default.asp

From http://www.microsoft.com/AccessDev/Articles/QAJET30.HTM

Although it may be discussing an older version of Jet, I do not believe it would make any big difference in newer versions, Jet is the Poor man's database system for small use, not for a huge forum that sees as much users as we have. We have officially outgrown our database.

How many users can Jet support?

Theoretically, Microsoft Jet can support 255 simultaneous connections to one database. The practical limit to the number of users Jet can handle in multiuser applications depends on many factors. Applications whose primary task is to perform queries can handle more users than applications whose primary task is to update data. The network and file server also play an important role in calculating this limit. In a properly configured network setting, Jet can easily support 25-50 users in a transaction-orientated environment. Some multiuser applications function well with 80 users.

If your application grows out of Jet's range, you can upsize the data portion of your application to Microsoft SQL Server while maintaining your investment in the Microsoft Access front end. The Microsoft Access Upsizing Tools, available separately, make it easy for you to migrate your data.

how convenient, that's about another grand that MS wants us to drop?

I forget exactly the stuff, but IIRC, Snitz can use a MySQL database, and if the forum software provides it, we might be able to backup our data, and upload them back to a MySQL backed server, while still maintaining our ASP/Snitz front end.

http://www.fonlow.com/zijianhuang/dbconverter/index.html

http://pgadmin.postgresql.org/pgadmin2/pgadmin2.php?ContentID=15

http://www.convert-in.com/acc2sql.htm

http://gborg.postgresql.org/project/access2pgconverter/projdisplay.php

These are some options for moving data. It now just depends on how messed up Access stores the data if there are any incompatibilities between various formats.

(Some products above convert to PosteGrey SQL, which is the brother of MySQL)

I've been coming here for a while, I mostly lurk (generally because I visit and get some damn JET errors and then don't visit again for about a month). No I didn't change my name.

That stuff about insulting MLA is way out of line. I don't know where you got that. The domaing being cybersquatted away from here, REALLY pissed me off. I tried to get it back and failed. I didn't "insult" the MLA so don't come up with rubbish like that unless you can back it up.

I can guarantee 3 GB of bandwidth and I can guarantee stability. I've had this hosting for over two years, I'm not moving anywhere. I host over a dozen other people too. I host two forums that get thousands of hits. I'm stable.

As for, if I host you, my being an admin, that is not required. If you don't want me to be an admin, fine. I'll leave you all alone. If you want me to be an admin, fine.

I'm still offering space if you want it.

Disclamer: This is all IMHO. Anything stated here may be the side effect of seeing one too many JET errors.

Nick

just gotta practice that skill of persistency

Logan

I am all for upgrading stuff and not having the errors, but I would rather have 5 years with errors, than 5 months then fizzle, but without errors.

~The Penguin

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I already offered months back to run a test run both on bandwidth as well as database and forum conversions/updates/etc.
The offer still stands as well. I have a dedicated 384 line, so not the fastest, but it would just be a test.

I am all for upgrading stuff and not having the errors, but I would rather have 5 years with errors, than 5 months then fizzle, but without errors.

~The Penguin

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