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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 21:41:07
If you were the CEO of apple...Personally I'd probably introduce a new line of ADC based CRTs that follow the design of the new G5 towers. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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Fedorenko
Junior Member
Australia
463 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 21:46:01
to beat everyone else too it, I would introduce a PDA. PowerPad, or iPad, or something of the like.Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure... |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 22:01:30
heheh... cool I'd say that a video iPod compatible with the iSight would be nice or a projector that goes off of ADC Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 22:03:51
First thing I would due is to find a way to drop the price of all PowerMacs and PowerBooks by $1000. While maintaining the same level of quality and performance. Most likely the systems would have to be sold at a loss for a while. But as sells increase economies of scale would kick in lowering manufacturing costs. Second I would have a $500 system, something like the CRT iMacs. Third I would give systems and software to students. I also would give systems to consultants and developers. Microsoft has used this system for years and it has been very successful. People sell what they know. Forth I would hold free training seminars. For users, developers, consultants, and resellers. And would promote them heavily. Again this has worked very well for Microsoft. Fifth every system sold would have the capability to seamlessly run Windows software. It would not be easy, but nothing worthwhile ever is. Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions. Edited by - redrouteone on 26 Jun 2003 22:06:12 |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 22:25:45
wow... that's at least 2 people (not all fromMLA) who'd do the price reduction I wouldn't have thought of the "people" and frontend PR raising stuff... I'm mostly a "product innovator" so to speak... I think it'd be cool if the whole MLA got to run apple Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:01:20
I agree it would cool if we could run Apple. We are a diverse enough of a group that we could bring lots of ideas to the table. But with a common vision that could pull them together.I'm a problem solver. I think of my self as a cross between Scotty and MacGyver. Not only can I fix the shields in 1 hour but I can build a new warp core out of 2 rubber bands and a toilet paper roll. ___________________________ Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions.
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:05:15
hehe... SO TRUE!I'm not the most "leaderiffic" in person... but online I generally am able to take charge of a group... especially when it is one of my own "projects" If someone else natrually falls into the place of a leader (on a heirarchy) I'll naturally take my place as one of many innovators Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:06:21
Firstly, i'd reduce the prices, by at least US$500. Then, i'd introduce a low cost, high quality line of CRTs, ranging from 15" to 21", for people who want a big display without the cost of an LCD. Then i'd introduce an ADC powered projector, called iProject or iShow. Then i'd release a PDA, called iPad. After that, I'd fire Jobs and ring up Woz asking if he wants a job. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:09:31
wow... that was the best repeat of everything we've said so far! there's our natural leader!(or not... whatever works) so... but... the CEO of apple is "us" so what would woz do? just "innovate" along with the rest of us? ohwell I want to do the design on those CRTs I have some great ides Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member
Ivory Coast
1006 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:11:28
First:I would start development of Mac OS Classic back up and enable the new Macintoshes to again run Classic and offer exchanges for users who require Classic support at no extra cost. Macintosh Classic will be developed so that System 9.5 will be the last Classic version, with Classic V 9.x (that is an x not inclusive mark) will be a special set of extensions and upgrades purchasable so users of OS X can use classic within X without rebooting and integrated into X's GUI. Second: The molds for the original Beige Era Macintosh machines would be available for purchase by those who wish to make available parts and cases for older machines. Third: Several "Special Edition" 68K and PPC machines would be re-introduced using the Coldfire 060 CPU and having a beatifull glossed silver case. (Plastic) Only 50,000 of each model would be made. This would include a Special Edition of the "TAM". Fourth: All new cases will have signatures etched inside of the development team and various random members of Apple Computer who helped with it's making. Fifth: All new Mac OS X code would contain more easter eggs, and a new online contest will appear for users to win prizes, for finding easter eggs. Sixth: New development of PCI based Intel CPU Boards that run Pentium 2 and 3 with thier own memory. This is because many Mac users want to play PC Only games or applications, and virtual PC can't do this even with incredibly fast Macs. There will also be development of a integrated PC CPU in new Powerbooks, however it will be a Transmeta Core due to space and heat considerations. With these additions, finally Macs will truly be compatible. (Desktop machines are allowed to utilize several physical disks for a PC and mounting them under Mac OS while not in use for read/write or while in use as read only. The PC sees the disks as physical disks and can partition them, run multiple OS'es etc.) **By the way since PC's are evil it's #6 on the list** Seventh: Mac OS versions prior to 8.6 (inclusive) will be repackaged to avoid any software that Apple does not have rights to and be available for a limited time download. Service Centers will be able to offer a copy of each product on this list for no more than $10.00US per CD. Charging more would violate thier status as a Service Centre. Online groups will be allowed to register for $50.00US/year in order to mirror Apple Software including OS releases made prior to 8.6 (inclusive) on thier website. Apple will check the validity of thier software and how it is arranged so as to ensure quality service. Eighth: AUX devlepment will resume for both 68K and PPC, and by the end of 2005, AUX 5 will have been released. For internal uses, Rhapsody and OpenStep will resume development to ensure cross platform issues. Ninth: Apple will offer funding to various groups who are OSS compliant and who develop software for any Macintosh Product provided it complies with legal laws and within reasonable limits does not enable users to violate copyright laws. As such, Apple will not invest in P2P software of any kind. Tenth: Mac OS X Intel Edition will be released. However, the product is not supported by Apple officially, and is offered for "Educational" uses only. Aqua, Carbon, Quicktime and Quartz can be purchased at cost of materials for "educational" purposes for Intel x86. Mac OS X for Intel will cost $25.00 available online from Apple's DEV site. Major Linux groups will be sent copies at no charge and given specifications so the Linux community can support X on Intel. Apple, if you read this, READ it FIVE times and let it sink in.
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:16:58
wow! that's alot of stuff! I would probably have not thought of anything like that...continuing OSX, OS9, A/UX AND rhap/openstep? you realize that rhap is NOT a steppingstone from A/UX to OSX right? the PC thing sounded great though! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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redrouteone
Junior Member
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:25:02
Frankly I am surprised that Jobs is still around. Apple fired him for a reason the first time and he's doing the same thing again. So I need to revise my list. Task zero would be to show Jobs the door, and to make sure it hit him in the ass on the way out.I agree with bringing back CRT displays. That would be a great way to lower costs. Frankly I think the best thing to do is to break up Apple in to 2 parts. A hardware company and a software company. Thus transforming the Mac from a computer into a platform. ___________________________ Life is like Jeopardy you have all the answers, you just need the questions.
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The Balance Of Judgement
Senior Member
Ivory Coast
1006 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:25:55
They were built on the same BSD core though, so any issues related to compiling software that will run on other platforms would need to be checked that way as the system gradually was updated as well as testing other *nix distros. It's a way of checking code to make sure you didn't mess it up.
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cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2003 : 23:42:18
yeah... CRTs not only for the lower cost... but simply for those who prefer it ok... I think that ccdev is incharge of "all those unixes" then Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 18:38:42
Balance of Judgement: Yes, very good ideas, except for the OS 9/Classic bit. IMHO, OS 9 really is a dead OS.redrouteone: I'm amazed that SJ is still around too, although i think that his "Best Before" date is quite close. Sure, it's great that he's turned Apple around and made the Mac a viable platform, but now, with the poor quality of some of their products, and terrible support, the company is going a bit dodgy. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
catsdorule
Senior Member
Canada
1627 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 18:41:21
Damn you cory CRTs suck and i know you made this post because of me.-danny You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3 Edited by - catsdorule on 27 Jun 2003 18:42:04 |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 18:42:55
HAR!?"**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
The Lightning Stalker
Full Member
USA
747 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 20:23:11
I would hold a CRD demolition similar to disco demolition.The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:11:32
quote:
Damn you cory CRTs suck and i know you made this post because of me.-danny You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0 ------- 68k Macintosh Liberation Army 68k Macs Liberated: 3 Edited by - catsdorule on 27 Jun 2003 18:42:04
And if I did? I didn't though... Truly though... I like CRTs and I seriously doubt that the radiation, and the radiation alone from a CRT and only a CRT could make someone need glasses... possibly you sat too close to it? or sat too close to a TV? either way I'm not up for the CRT vs. LCD battle.... LCDs may "annunciate" the pixels better... but nothing will ever replace the CRT for bright evenly lit pictures and overall "cheapness" I also like the substantial feel and overall sturdiness of the CRTs as compared with the short lived, and somewhat unevenly lit surface... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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mypojam
Junior Member
Malaysia
192 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:23:56
wow man, this is great!first, i would assign 50% of the budget goes to Research & Dev. second, i would introduce better student discount, say 30% third, price drop in asia. elsewhere is not. fourth, more deals with the devil, M$ and IBM. fifth, do more killer ads! sixth, built another child company dedicated to the old macintosh. (more 68k software, games and support) that's all for now. i hope my ideas worth something. feel free to steal it. just don't forget the credits. yah yah. we malaysians lives in trees. and we have broadband on these trees! what does you country have ? |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:26:27
I like the "child company" idea dedicated to bringing us 68k products (MLA run of course)I don't understand your asia only price drop though Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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mypojam
Junior Member
Malaysia
192 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:29:58
well, in malaysia, the cost of the new, lowest price of G5 is like, 2 years and 2 month of my apartment rent.it's killing apple development in here! yah yah. we malaysians lives in trees. and we have broadband on these trees! what does you country have ? |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:47:27
but your sig mentions trees! you need to rent a tree? anyway... we've been discussing worldwide price reductions of about $1000 USD hope it helps! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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mypojam
Junior Member
Malaysia
192 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2003 : 22:50:20
well, that's cool. anyway, if only i could find a free place to stay for 2 years =Por maybe just fake pretend to be sake for 2 years. and get to stay in the government hospitals. hehe, or stay coma for 2 years. man, this gives me an idea!! yah yah. we malaysians lives in trees. and we have broadband on these trees! what does you country have ? |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 06:20:34
Hmm, I'm sure living in your car is cheap enough...."**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
llamaboy487
Full Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 13:48:17
hmm... this is kind of a tough one, but not really - cancel OS9 support. as much as i hate to admit it, OS 9 is dead. - clean up all previous versions of MacOS (except system 9) and remove all proprietary stuff from the distro, and then release them all for free download. There is no point in holding on to that stuff. - fire Jobs and offer Woz a job doing whatever the hell he wants to. - lower prices, and make more deals with IBM. i really liked the "silver" 68k reissue thing... another thing i would do would be to create a q840AV with an 060 in it and sell it for... $500. ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk = The Kevcave Owner of the Token Worthless Post |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 17:55:35
An even better idea would be to make a special edition version of the 840AV, called the "940AV" with a ColdFire '060, and six slots, in a Quadra 950 style case."**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 21:51:58
hehehe... cancelling OS9 and bringing back some 68k related things... but not like... replace G5 with 060....BTW... ColdFire IS NOT 060.... Coldfire goes to 240MHz, whereas 060 is about 75 MHz (tops) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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llamaboy487
Full Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 21:53:54
quote:
An even better idea would be to make a special edition version of the 840AV, called the "940AV" with a ColdFire '060, and six slots, in a Quadra 950 style case.
I'd call it the Quadra 841AV... and put it in the 950 case. I'd definitely do something with A/UX, too... but im not sure what. maybe rename it llama-X and sell it ________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk = The Kevcave Owner of the Token Worthless Post Edited by - llamaboy487 on 28 Jun 2003 21:54:09 |
Fedorenko
Junior Member
Australia
463 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 22:49:44
Thing is, if any of us did what we wanted, Apple would be hanging 'For Sale' signs on the fence by the end of the month,Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure... |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2003 : 22:59:26
CRTs = make moneymakemoney = drop prices drop prices = make more money make more money = introduce new development introduce more development = something fun, but something NEW that's the CoryStratagy!
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Fedorenko
Junior Member
Australia
463 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 02:23:46
Ok, the CRTs MIGHT be a good idea .Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure... |
maclover5
LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Australia
5830 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 06:22:19
I agree with both of you. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1 |
Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2003 : 20:13:17
Bringing back CRTs! What a waste. LCDs are getting cheaper and cheaper all the time good 17" LCDs can be had for under 500 USD and prices are dropping rapidly. It's not going to be long before LCDs completely repalce CRTs, the last area to be taken over however will be graphics pros as although overall quality and response time improves only the most expensive have good colour reproduction.If you want a cheap screen you have two options, get an eMac, or buy a power mac and either a refurbished apple screen or any of the decent CRTs out there. CRTs are also bulky to store and expensive to ship, IIRC less environmentally friendly too. I would not bring back the 68k, I would be driving Apple in to the future not pandering to the few (however great 68ks are something like this is pointless, there are plenty of good 68ks out there there already). I would however consider future comemorative machines but at only at ytuly significant milestones so as not to devalue them. I would lower prices reasonably where possible, we're talking 100 USD cuts not 500-1000 as some suggest. I would not fire Steve, I would be his replacement! I'd seriously look in to a Cube style small form factor powermac. 1 AGP slot, 1 PCI-X, 1 CPU slot, 4 DIMM slots, USB 2 firewire 800 1 SATA 1 IDE. I would try and position this so that it would not eat away the iMac and eMac market completely and it would be a G4 not a G5. We'd probably be looking at a 999 USD price tag, roughly the cost of an iMac sans LCD. It would be aimed at students, developers etc and perhaps replace the eMac. I would not bring back any old Apple OS, I would however release them all for free. I would make sure there were discounts for upgrading the OS, e.g. 10.3 retail 100 USD, for people who bought Jag (not those who got it with their machine) something like 75 USD. I don't think I would do the PDA thing but I would make sure that at least one of the powerbooks was going in the Duo direction like the 12" Al book. The iPod would continue to gain feature and be able to interact with other devices like iSight (this is something I actually see happeneing anyway) There would be better deals for schools, more aggressive advertising, mode tie ins with education. -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 02:45:11
I would build an 840av style machine with the benifits of modern technology, also it would perhaps be twice as tall as an 840av, to take into account extra drive bays, but no now it is 3 times as tall the rest is circuitry needed because my machine has ports, it has ports for everything imaginable, you can play all your old cartridge games using this machine & you can load the old tape games(& make copies of them to the hard drive), all disks catered for too.You did say what would you do if you were CEO you didn't instruct us to be successfull! Hey start a new thread if you think my dream is in any way possible & I could hack my old 840av case so as to have a supercartridge machine, by hacking old consoles into it, with the 840av ports serving to be universal video outputs. I need to draw how this would work. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive os 8.1 128 meg ram, 500 meg hard drive PPC7600/132, 4.23Gig & 500 Meg drives, 8X cd os 8.6 Performa400(deadintheattick) 3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" |
Fedorenko
Junior Member
Australia
463 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 03:54:41
Yeh, I would have no idea what to do if it had to be a successful idea. I use to check apple.com for news of a new PDA, and I nearly had a heart attack when I say the iPod for the first time Good ideas usually are created by crazy people, go figure... |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2003 : 23:05:18
Video iPod would ROCK!!!I, personally would probably try to have the iSight iMovie compatible, and the iPod act as iSight's "everything" iSight is just a lens and a firewire cable (pretty much) with vPod it'd be able to act as a normal (or better) video camera... projector is a must
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llamaboy487
Full Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 19:44:35
another idea: i would rerelease NeXTSTEP for free and make a limited-edition run of updated (but still 68k) NeXT Cubes, and black lcd's and keyboards to go with them________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk = The Kevcave Owner of the Token Worthless Post |
Clinton
Full Member
USA
700 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 20:24:47
those of you who are suggesting the re-release of a TAM DO realize that the molds for the TAM no longer exist, right?some of these ideas are impractical, though price drops on some lines would be feasable. you could drop the price of the powerbooks between 500-1000$US depending on model, as the margins vary in that line. Apple makes good money on the powerbooks, though the desktops have large costs involved, that are usually hidden to the public. The iPod development should sheer away from the personal organizer functions, to more of a multimedia handheld. some improvements of the calendar function should be in order, for the college student who does not have a PDA, but has the iPod. the calendar function should facilitate some rudimentary data functions, rather than having to be connected to a computer to add any calendar events. the scroll wheel could be used for text entry in a letter by letter selection process, that allows users to have some way of entering homework assignments. The PDA idea is a good one, and would be quite interesting to see what it would look like. some useful functions would include bluetooth tech for a wireless keybord, for data entry. a subnotebook would be really interesting as well, something in close to the same design of the Toshiba Libretto FF model 1100 http://www.amherst.co.uk/libff1100.htm scroll down to see picture. some differences would include detachable bluetooth keyboard, and a tablet mode, so one can watch movies on it. well, some suggestions, I have to go home from work now, and have no time for more. CCC Commander Promotion: 19 Mar 2003 13:06:30 68k Macs Rescued: 2 Pluses, a 512KE, a Classic II, a Q650, a Q660AV, an SE/30, and a MacII Contraband rescued: Power Computing PowerBase 200, a PM 8600/300, and a PM8500/180 Apple //s rescued: Apple //e |
cory5412
68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms
USA
4679 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 20:34:31
someone suggested a reissue of the TAM?anything 68k, anything preG4 and anything (similar to that) would really be hurting apple... A G3 based tablet, or media thingy or game console would be cool... think of basing it on the iBooks motherboard (loosely) and then adding "the extras" like advanced graphics, front USB ports, game controllers and TV in/out (standard issue for something like that) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
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llamaboy487
Full Member
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2003 : 21:02:49
well... my NeXTSTEP/NeXT Cube II idea wouldnt really hurt apple, they could sell it only online or something. NeXTSTEP is really a good system though. (although OSX is basically NeXTSTEP)________________________ Founder, IBM PS/2 Liberation Front PS/2's Liberated: 2 http://www.kevcave.tk = The Kevcave Owner of the Token Worthless Post |