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phatturtle Starting Member USA 15 Posts	Posted - 03 May 2003 : 23:13:41 what os do i need to have my performa 200 on in order to network it? and then what type of connection do i use? it does not have ethernet (but i could get a card for that). i am not looking for a fast connection just one that i could transfer files. any help? my other machines are 7100/66 with ethernet and a g4 400 (of course with ethernet() i would be happy swithching between printer (or whatever) and ethernet to share from my g4 to the 7100 and then to the performa. any ideas??? thanks, pt
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 04 May 2003 : 00:34:28 how much RAM? the max a p200 can hold is 4 or 10 MB iThink... it can run system 7.5 but would be absolutly slow with anything more than 7.1 if your 7100 is on 7.5 and you use 7.0 or 7.1 on your p200 you'll be fine get a serial cable and/or localtalk adaptors and phone cables and put them in the serial ports of the 7100 and p200... (you can use teh 7100 as your central server or whatever) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide
phatturtle Starting Member USA 15 Posts	Posted - 04 May 2003 : 00:40:38 on the specs it says that i can get the p200 up to 7.6.1. is that correct? my 7100 is running os 9, it is slow but it is network friendly. dhould i go back so that the y csn talk/ i have the cable but what port do i connect it to? printer, modem??? the ram is 4 what does that say? Edited by - phatturtle on 04 May 2003 00:44:59
G4from128k Full Member USA 873 Posts	Posted - 04 May 2003 : 05:44:08 I'd stick to OS 7.1 on any machine with less that 8 MB RAM. I use 7.1 on my Outbound Notebook and it shares files nicely with the other machines on the network (PB 190, 7500, 8500, Pismo, and a G4). These other machines run OS 7.5, 8.6, and 9. I don't have anything running OS X, so I can speak to compatibility there. The only nit is that the Outbound does not like mounting the large volumes of the bigger Macs (OS 7.1 can;t handle more than 2 GB in one volume). But since I can mount the Outbound on the bigger Macs, I can move files that way. If you plan to get other old Macs, you might also look into an ethernet-to-localtalk bridge like Farallon's iPrint. This will let you connect an ethernet network to an older, slower, PhoneNet/LocalTalk network. Its great for networking older Macs and printers that don't have any possible or cheap way for connecting to ethernet. Only downside is that Localtalk is ssslllooowww (about 30kB/s). Yet, I have found that Localtalk is fine for sharing files and making backups of older Macs. BTW, Welcome to the 68kMLA, phatturtle. G4From128k by Day: Mild-Mannered Engineer and Trapeze(tm) Artist by Night: Colonel of Truth, Justice, and the Macintosh Way Reserve Officer in 68kMLA Cantankerous Coot Contingent
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 04 May 2003 : 09:16:00 To network the performa 200 you need system 6.0.8L or better with appletalk. That should work fine for sharing files. The version of appleshare I use on system 6 is 3.5. Talks fine to other macs. Plus system 6 will be fast on that box. But then, I like system 6. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
phatturtle Starting Member USA 15 Posts	Posted - 07 May 2003 : 21:30:32 okay, i can go back to os 6 (plus apple talk) the next question is can i use the little adb/phone net thing to connect to my g4 on the modem port and do apple talk that way?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 07 May 2003 : 21:36:43 the ADB port is only for keyboards and mice, sorry. You might consider getting a serial adaptor if you want to put your g4 onto localtalk... or getting the aforementioned bridge Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
phatturtle Starting Member USA 15 Posts	Posted - 07 May 2003 : 21:54:11 okay how about the printer port then? how do i get apple talk on this thing?
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 06:16:33 on your G4 or your performa 200? to get appletalk on P-200 1) plug serial cable or phonenet adaptor into printer OR serial port of P-200 2) set the options as such 3) make suer you have other computers (like your 7100) that can use them do you have a printer port on your g4 also? Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 07:04:22 The question here is which G4 model are you talking about? If the G4 doesn't have the localtalk ports, then I'd look to ethernet to network them together. In my house, I use a 7500 as a go between box. It has ethernet and localtalk. I can connect my older boxes to it to tranfer files and it works great. I also use floppies and CDs to transfer files. I couldn't get the software localtalk bridge to work on it, so I will try an older box. Then I can connect my ethernet network to my localtalk network. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 20:31:55 most people denote that it's an upped machine when it is... so i'll assume that it was a standard graphite g4 Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 21:13:30 quote: In my house, I use a 7500 as a go between box. It has ethernet and localtalk. I can connect my older boxes to it to tranfer files and it works great. That's a good idea, although IMO, an LCII or LCIII + LC ethernet card would be better, because of its low cost. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 21:31:17 and it's low power-consumption and flexibility. These machines had like 20 watt PSUs whereas 7500s had like... 200-300 watters... "running an LC is cheaper than runninng a lightbulb" I love it!! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 08 May 2003 : 22:03:16 Good point. The LCIII sucks up less power than a 60W lightbulb. And the LC475's newer style power supply sucks up even less power! IIRC, the 7500 had a 200W PSU. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Gothikon Full Member Australia 537 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 03:34:48 IIRC the LC475 actually has a 30 watt power supply, I would be VERY surprised if any Mac had a sub 20 watt power supply!! However even at 30 watts it's half your average lightbulb. -------- LC 2, LC 3, Q605, Perf 638, Colour Classic (160 603e) 6100, 7200, PTP 225 (Quad 604), PM 9600, G4 Cube
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 05:53:01 Yeah... even 30 watts is really good... the LC-AIOs had like... 40 watters... does this include the display? Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 07:12:20 You are all right about the power of course. I use the 7500 for the job because I have it and it is already setup and doing other jobs in the house. Now I am thinking of replacing my DEC Alpha 3000 with a Quadra 605 as the house DNS server. I might even look at it for holding my website mirrors. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 15:07:09 What's a DEC Alpha 3000?? good choice on the 605 though Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
The Lightning Stalker Full Member USA 747 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 17:51:28 quote: What's a DEC Alpha 3000?? It's an abandoned architecture that NT used to support. I think it's a form of RISC CPU. The Lightning Stalker Performa 631CD, 7.5.5 LC III Mail Server Q610 Q650 6400/180 40/1.6G/512k L2/enet/video-in/TV 7600/120 '604/233, 80/1.2G & 4G, 9.2.2 (Main Mac) Lady Smith Apples: Apple IIc 5.25" 2 Apple IIe
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:08:11 Yeah, it's a RISC CPU. NT used to run on it, but not anymore. Dunno how good it was though. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:12:08 hehehe gotta love that thing called NT! Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 18:15:17 Yep! One of the best Windows versions ever made...even better than 95! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 19:41:58 Especially NT server for multiplatform integration... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 20:05:51 quote: Especially NT server for multiplatform integration... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life" Yeah. What network services does it have other than MS NetBEUI and Services for Macintosh? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 20:19:53 I think there's an FTP service hidden in there somewhere... I thought that also there's UNIX migration tools *only for moving UNIX>NT but theyre still there... in W2k/.NET there's also some dealies about nix fileserving methinks... HTTP I know there is Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 21:54:56 Yeah, there is a HTTP service. Does IIS ring a bell? -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 22:07:08 Yeah... I know about it... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 22:28:50 Wasn't that the first version of IIS? LOL! -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 23:13:43 I'll pretend you didn't say that... although I'm asssuming it's called IIS 1.0 and it probably came with NT 3.5.... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 23:17:22 'nteresting. I thought IIS 1 came with NT 4. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 23:42:01 Maybe... I thought that mine was like... IIS3 or something... Maybe I have a service-packed version... (#2 iThink if any) Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 09 May 2003 : 23:55:12 Maybe. I'll have to check next time i fire up the K6. (which will probably be a while!) -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 06:26:52 quote: What's a DEC Alpha 3000?? The Alpha series was the successor to the VAX computers. Where the VAXs (VAXen) were mainly mini-computers, the Alphas are more of workstations. While it is true that some Alphas can boot NT, VAXen and Alphas run VMS or Digital Unix. http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/Digital/timeline/1992.htm The above link is an archive of the DEC timeline. The second picture from the bottom is a DEC 3000. Please note that this is from 1992, and the DEC 3000 is running at least 133 MHz and can have over 128 MB of ram and Disk space in the GB range. Old and slow today, but kicked Wintels around the block in the day. emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 06:34:20 4 years on and I'm still annoyed about Compaq buying out DEC. -------------------------- Give your dreams a chance.� - Apple in the mid '90s Warrior maclover5 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 13:12:02 I'm still sad that HP aquired Compaq... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
emaq123 Junior Member USA 258 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 13:45:13 So who's left to do real R & D? IBM, Apple emaq123 SE/30 and system 6.0.8 Now we're talking POWER!
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 14:06:28 That's basically, sadly, it... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
phatturtle Starting Member USA 15 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 17:36:03 okay! here is what i have with details! G4 Graphite no wierd connections (other than SCSI, i had added) that machine is running OS X 10.2.5 7100 it has (printer, modem, SCSI ports and ethernet) one performa 200 no ethernet, has printer and modem one SE Superdrive no ethernet, has printer and modem all i wanna do is connect the two oldie to my network.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 17:50:31 You'll probably want localtalk adaptors the one with the phone things, you'll need 4 phone cables and 3 of the adaptors. Plug your 7100 into Ethernet with the G4 and the localtalk with the oldies. You'll be using your 7100 as a server now, anything you need to tranfer, the 7100 better have room for. connect the 3 phone-net localtalk boxes to EITHER the modem OR the printer ports. on all 3 machines it has to be the same port (for simplicity at least) hook them all up with the phone cables, be careful with this because if you cross any or loop them short you'll have some machines not working... Your hardware setup is complete. Make sure that when you want to use it you always have the machines set to localtalk>printer or modem port (depending on what port you are using) the 7100 is where the most confiburing is at... you'll simply change in the appletalk control panel whenever you need to swith the 7100 to work with your compacts or your G4..... There is versions of AppleShare IP that will let you do this great thing called "Multihoming" I suggest you get this and dedicate the 7100 or other similar beige PPC mac to doing this.l.. Multihoming will let your mac use many different network connections, the serial ports and the ethernet, for example, at the same time. the most expensive parts of this will be the time you spend finding and downloading old appleshareIP if you decide to, and getting the phone-net adaports... CompUSA MIGHT even still sell the PhoneNet thingies... I dunno... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 18:05:08 on this topic, whats the easiest and cheapest way to network my two 68k's? ones a performa 578 with os 7.5.3 and ones an SE FDHD with 6.0.8... ------------- Grand Leader, Apple /// Revolutionary Council Apple ///'s Liberated: 65498 Visit http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!
llamaboy487 Full Member USA 516 Posts	Posted - 10 May 2003 : 18:07:39 i would also be much obliged if someone could donate a PDP-11 for me to use, or an IBM system 3/60 ------------- Grand Leader, Apple /// Revolutionary Council Apple ///'s Liberated: 65498 Visit http://www.kevcave.tk (my Forum) ...because no one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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