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~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
 Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 05:36:40
Dang! It turns out that our ROM burner only does linear ICs (DIPs as jt likes to say  ) So, you need to find someone with a PLCC one.~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 05:39:43
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Also, my thoughts on that "full length PCI slot" is that it is a video board connector thingie. Yes I am so very technical 
As i said above: I'm almost positive that it's for a cache sim. I think I found my cache sim. I pulled it when i got a g3 upgrade. They are slow, and it's recommended that you remove'em. Anyway, what i found doesn't match the pin layout in the picture, but i'm still going to say it's for cache. Was there cache on the daughter cards for the 8600/300+ machines or where they still on the mobo? I could ask somebody, but not this early. _______________________
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TiMacLover
Senior Member
USA
1282 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 11:16:05
In the beige G3 I thought there was a soldered on ROm  Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops
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cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2002 : 12:39:28
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Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 04:59:31
Ok, i updated the Pic (the one hosted on torpedobird) for one thing. Another thing, i dont think that is a cache slot and i am almost certain that that IS a ROM slot.http://www.pacificnet.net/a1/9600.gif That is a regular 9600. There is no cache slot whatsoever and the ROM slot is merely in a differnt location. I do think i remember this coming up before when we were looking at differences between the boards. Just a thought ~The Penguin
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 07:23:43
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http://www.pacificnet.net/a1/9600.gifThat is a regular 9600. There is no cache slot whatsoever and the ROM slot is merely in a differnt location. I do think i remember this coming up before when we were looking at differences between the boards.
Hmm... looking at that picture makes me suspect something. back when I obtained the Power Mac 9500 from TiMac, before I shipped it back to UPS for slavaging/chargeback, I pulled all the RAM and the other DIMM that is in there. I have a feeling it's a 9500 ROM, which may be useful to CyberWolf. I'll have to check when I get home. ------------------
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 08:29:10
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http://www.pacificnet.net/a1/9600.gifThat is a regular 9600. There is no cache slot whatsoever and the ROM slot is merely in a differnt location. I do think i remember this coming up before when we were looking at differences between the boards.
Hmm... looking at that picture makes me suspect something. back when I obtained the Power Mac 9500 from TiMac, before I shipped it back to UPS for slavaging/chargeback, I pulled all the RAM and the other DIMM that is in there. I have a feeling it's a 9500 ROM, which may be useful to CyberWolf. I'll have to check when I get home.
that'd be great if we can get at least one of the higher end systems to work!i really don't understand why they would bother to put a ROM slot on a board that has PLCC sockets for ROM. it wouldb be especially silly if they implemented Flash capability in those PLCC sockets! even apple is't THAT stupid! <rolleyes> *sighs . . . thinks: one would hope so, anyway! * if they were going to put one into the layout, why would they change the position of the connector? the empty space on the mobo between the DRAM DIMM slots is still available from the original layout and has all the data/address/etc. lines available without and layout modifications whatsoever. my question would be use for the four empty IC (memory lookin') pads on both the fritter/PEx and MLA/PEx logic boards. VRAM makes a whole lot more sense to me than ROM, second choice would be SRAM L2 cache if the 8 IC's above the DRAM DIMM slots are VRAM. even if neither of these turn out to be the case, it could well be the connector for the newfangled A/V board that this machine was supposed to have. the positioning would be right for that if the A/V connectors are supposed to breakout thru the centrally located rectangular panel on the backplane as seen on the fritter page. what is the full length (?) slot located inline (almost) with one of the PCI slots? is that a PDS or cache slot, maybe? i can't imagine they'd waste a PCI slot AND make it even worse by putting a DAV-A/V connector where it would interfere with two general purpose slots and the CPU slot to be able to reach the breakout panel for the connectors. jt  ™.
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 08:34:13
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Dang! It turns out that our ROM burner only does linear ICs (DIPs as jt likes to say ) So, you need to find someone with a PLCC one
that's what they are! i would think that Single Inline Package IC's would also fall within the general class of linear IC's would they not? i'll probably be picking up a burner that will handle PLCC's for one of my hacks, btw! jt ™.
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 09:33:31
OK, troops, it's time to get systematic in going about this analysis:MLA_PEx_Project IMHO: the only way to attack this problem is to compare the info on all the IC's, ASICS, connectors, etc. with those on machines which may have similar characteristics in order to determine what kind of ROMs to try and just HTF to get 'em onto something we can plug into these suckers! Ti, if you could get the IC info, the appropriate silk screen legend designations and the pin counts (where relevant if IC's are missing) on these components, maybe we can all get onto the same page and then try to get somebody to backstop our efforts to decipher this crap in an orderly manner! come to think of it, the copyright/rev info on the ASICS could be crucial info, as might any differences between the four boards. comments? jt ™.
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 09:44:48
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Hmm... looking at that picture makes me suspect something. back when I obtained the Power Mac 9500 from TiMac, before I shipped it back to UPS for slavaging/chargeback, I pulled all the RAM and the other DIMM that is in there. I have a feeling it's a 9500 ROM, which may be useful to CyberWolf. I'll have to check when I get home.
I'm not wanting to argue, but what about just an all-purpose debugger port? This is off topic a little, but my laserwriter II NTX, had a nubus looking port that I read was for debugging and testing. Here's some links for the powerexpress board: http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/1.3/projects.html http://members.vol.at/kapeller/Inhalte/Why%20Be/New%20Apple.htm
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Apple will reportedly follow the Kansas systems with a new Power Mac line, code-named PowerExpress. Sources said those systems will use Mach 5 chips and may include forthcoming high-speed digital video and FireWire cards.
Taken from above link.http://oit.utk.edu/macvolplace/oldnews/199707.html
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• MacOS 8.01d2 release notes uncover secret new Apple models -- Hidden in the release notes for MacOS 8.01d2 that Mac OS Rumours posted Sunday were several references to new hardware in development. Everything from the upcoming PowerExpress line, the Power Macintosh 9700 and 9700av, the Kanga and Wallstreet PowerBooks, and a possible third notebook entitled the PowerBook "3500." The 3500 should be based on the Kanga design, although the fact that it is mentioned seperately suggests otherwise. The new Gossamer motherboard was identified seperately from the 9700(av), suggesting that the 9700 will either come before Gossamer, or the bleeding-edge board will be used in a different model. The current suspicion is that the PowerExpress and the 9700 are the same model. Support for the TriMedia chips is also apparent in the 9700-related extensions.
taken from above link. BTW, if we can find the release ntoes somewhere that might lead us to something. http://www.access.ch/power/infoservices/MacWeek/MacWeek050896.html
tons of stuff there, too much to quote. Mentions apple's NEW a/v card! quote:
A MacWEEK news item covers the alleged death of the 6 PCI-slotted PowerExpress systems; however, a 300-MHz G3 box, with 1 MB backside L2 (no cache ratio specified), 128 MB RAM and a Wide Ultra SCSI-3 PCI card, is due in March.
maybe it's not a cache slot. :-(Sorry if this is old news. I didn't know much. I had found a link that talked about the boot info in darwin for the power express board, but there wasn't much else there, just the mention of it. If this was at all helpful, i'll spend some mroe time searching later after i eat. peace. _______________________
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Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 10:14:47
Trash i think u may be right, even though u dont want to be, with the breakout box DAV a/v thing. That whole general area right there has a white line (at least its visible in AF's PEX pictures). If we can identify the other chips within this line, we may gain lite to that port. I'm also going to feel really stupid if the other stuff says right on it what it is.~The Penguin
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TiMacLover
Senior Member
USA
1282 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 10:20:52
Boy you guys are really pushing itgrrrr. But anyways I got my Quicktake back up and working so I will get more detailed pictures and investegate this whole ROM thing.Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 10:36:18
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Trash i think u may be right, even though u dont want to be, with the breakout box DAV a/v thing. That whole general area right there has a white line (at least its visible in AF's PEX pictures). If we can identify the other chips within this line, we may gain lite to that port.
i'm also dying to find out what the labeling and the pincount is on the larger connector on our boards. there is just a 20(?) pin connector on the FritterPEx board. jt ™.
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 12:03:10
quote:
OK, troops, it's time to get systematic in going about this analysis:MLA_PEx_Project IMHO: the only way to attack this problem is to compare the info on all the IC's, ASICS, connectors, etc. with those on machines which may have similar characteristics in order to determine what kind of ROMs to try and just HTF to get 'em onto something we can plug into these suckers! Ti, if you could get the IC info, the appropriate silk screen legend designations and the pin counts (where relevant if IC's are missing) on these components, maybe we can all get onto the same page and then try to get somebody to backstop our efforts to decipher this crap in an orderly manner! come to think of it, the copyright/rev info on the ASICS could be crucial info, as might any differences between the four boards. comments?
I suggest you should work out some sort of numbering system on your chart there. Someone may post information on the specified chip, but you may get confused as to which chip. All be able to get some info on some parts in about an hour or so, after I look at the additional pictures (not posted). ------------------
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TiMacLover
Senior Member
USA
1282 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 12:10:30
I am starting to think that maybe these PEx's don't work, reason why when I went to get pictures I was comparing the boards to those on AppleFritter and a few chips and stuff was missing, though the seller asured me that everything works. The pictures are taken and on the way, the Quicktake is giving me heck again not wanting to sync with my 5400 Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 12:14:10
I wouldn't get concerned yet. These boards could all be at different levels of development. We don't know if the one at applefritter is newer or older or what revision it is. There are quite a few scenarios that could be at work here._______________________
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Heavy Weapons Specialist
950 division
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TiMacLover
Senior Member
USA
1282 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 13:07:47
Da Penguin and The Lip are in the process of hipment, I am making one large trip to the post office so everyone get me your information about what you want, and your address and I will get your shipping amount.Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 13:58:27
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I wouldn't get concerned yet. These boards could all be at different levels of development. We don't know if the one at applefritter is newer or older or what revision it is. There are quite a few scenarios that could be at work here.
It's guarrenteed. Look at the ASIC info on the MLA board and AF board (it's a little hard to make out). MLA = ©1996
AF = ©1997 The AppleFritter board is a later model of PEx. That would explain the moved ATA connector and slight differences. ------------------
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 14:06:30
quote:
All be able to get some info on some parts in about an hour or so, after I look at the additional pictures (not posted).
k! the PLCC sockets are Component00 and then work clockwise thru Component15 for now. after we get the silk screen layer legend designations there shouldn't be any more confusion.i'll update my illustrator fils and post a new 'peg when the info starts coming in. just post the info here in the thread so i can copy the .txt to update my info. jt ™.
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 14:19:15
quote:
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I wouldn't get concerned yet. These boards could all be at different levels of development. We don't know if the one at applefritter is newer or older or what revision it is. There are quite a few scenarios that could be at work here.
It's guarrenteed. Look at the ASIC info on the MLA board and AF board (it's a little hard to make out). MLA = ©1996
AF = ©1997 The AppleFritter board is a later model of PEx. That would explain the moved ATA connector and slight differences.
that's the point of my data acquisition excercise along with comparing this info on all the boards to stock system components owned by our comrades here and the fritter contingent.check the pincount on that connector, i'm almost certain it's less the than 40 pins required for IDE. it'd be awsome of it's a parallel port, but it's probably just a floppy drive interface. but i have a feeling it's n IBM interface, the one on the FritterPEx is for a mac FDD if i'm not mistaken, dunno, that's what it looks like on Ti's piccie. just realized i should have asked for the pinouts and legend on the cluster of four SCSI and IDE connectors in the top right corner too! jt ™.
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 18:38:03
If you are talking about making your own roms, that will rock, but just be cautious of the apple ninjas. This is the kind of stuff that they don't like._______________________
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 19:42:55
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This is the kind of stuff that they don't like.
<rolleyes> then maybe you should edit out those comments! *sighs!*jt ™.
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cyberwolf
New Member
91 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jun 2002 : 20:50:53
Dont worry they cant do a thing about people just talking about it. (The best current example being all the news articles on breaking X-Box encryption.)
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TheDoctor
Starting Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2002 : 11:02:25
Forgive me if I am intruding here, but I've been lurking on this thread for a while and I have a small question. Has anyone tried booting one of the PEx boards?
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TiMacLover
Senior Member
USA
1282 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2002 : 11:10:38
Nope, I the one who is holding them have no PCI compatible Video cards and no CPU cards to test them out.Jeremy "I'll see you on the Dark Side Of The Moon" - Pink Floyd Covert Ops
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 09:49:35
I talked to a friend the other day that made a good point about the rom sim issue that we are having. His 8600 and many other machines have that rom slot for possible rom updates and such. On hi 8600 and my 8500, those slots are empty. Which means the rom is soldered on someplace else._______________________
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Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 10:29:08
Ok, im tired and its hot so i may just be being weird, but does this mean that the ROM is soldered on and that the ROM thing is open for "updates"? I dunno...~The Penguin
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 10:52:23
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Ok, im tired and its hot so i may just be being weird, but does this mean that the ROM is soldered on and that the ROM thing is open for "updates"? I dunno...
if it's "FLASH" capable, soldered memory can be updated. there's probably a jumper setting or info on ROM SIMMs to supercede the older rev. of the firmware code on the soldered ROMs. i have a feeling that any proper image burned to a pair of PLCC ROMs should run fine on our mobos even if the sockets were intended for FLASH IC's, but i'd check the pinouts, especially if we could identify the identity of the IC's on the FritterPEx or any other functional PEx board.if there is also a ROM SIMM slot, we could probably fab cards to work with just about any kind of ROM with the proper code already on it or "backed up" onto it. if someone owns the ROMS and burns a reformatted copy, apple would have to be insane to try to do anything about it legally, for fear of a judgement against them for frivolous litigation. Backup/reformatting of UNUSED/ownership-retained of the original copy, ROM or OS code is a very well established consumer right when it comes to ANY licensed intellectual property no matter what B.S. a company tries to put in their license contract, AFAIK. it'd be an expensive route, but if they work, putting a G-3 ROM SIMM into a filing cabinet should cover anybody legally for using a burned pair of PLCC ROMs no matter how loudly apple's legal weasels care to scream about it. something like that would be a good thing to check out before posting, anything-anywhere, about a suddenly functional "ROMless" PEx board. does anybody have a better grasp of the legal situation to share? jt ™.
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 11:26:17
I have scavaned over a lot of information from various sources about PowerExpress, "PowerSurge", and "PowerStar". The last two I found out later to be the codename for all PCI Power Mac's and the codename for the PB 3400 PCI technology, respectively.Information I have collected: PowerExpress is kind of hybrid between the Power Mac G3 MT and the Power Mac 9600 (Kansas model). This means that it can use G3 ROM's (9600 is Old World technology, and therefore incompatable). The advantage ti this is that you can use 604e/604ev processors, as well as G3 upgrade cards. PowerExpress Manhattan has no mention anywhere. As far as the world is concerned, it never existed. I hypothesize that this is a hybrid between the Power Mac G3 DT and Power Mac 7300. Again, G3 ROM's are necessary to have it run. It was either killed after the first board was built, or the board was built within a few weeks of killing the PowerExpress line. So to both of you that are getting PowerExpresses, remember to pick up a G3 ROM, so you can get to testing! You know I will!
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cyberwolf
New Member
91 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 15:45:04
I just wanted to point out that if it was killed after the beige g3 DTs its the LAST DESKTOP APPLE EVER MADE! (not counting the Cube I suppose)How cool is that?! :D
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cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 15:46:48
I always thought the PEx was intended to be a Tower???  666th poster and 666th thread-creator
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 16:28:22
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I just wanted to point out that if it was killed after the beige g3 DTs its the LAST DESKTOP APPLE EVER MADE! (not counting the Cube I suppose)How cool is that?! :D
pretty cool, until sometime in july! jt ™.
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cyberwolf
New Member
91 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 17:21:19
Cine, the PEx that everyone knows about was a minitower. However this auction had another proto Power Express board that seems to be designed for a desktop like the beige g3 desktop. The main difference being it has 3 pci slots instead of 6. This board has "Manhattan" printed on it and thus is the Mahattan PEx.Uh everone feel free to correct me if I got it wrong.
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cyberwolf
New Member
91 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 17:25:47
I just wanted to point out that if Apple legal actually did hang out here they would have given us a beat down already over use of the Apple logo, ;)
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Gothikon
Full Member
Australia
537 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 18:26:58
I hope I'm not repeating anything but at 13 pages it's kind of hard to keep track of things!!Surely the current issue should be finding a graphics card and CPU card to try in one of these things? As everybody knows many many Mac's have empty ROM slots or areas for ROMs slots to be fitted with nothing in them. It is a prototype and a ROM may be more likely I would be looking for a Grpahics card first of all. Unfortunately I sold my last spare PCI graphics card about a week ago otherwise I would have loaned it. If somebody has a little cash to spare IMS twin turbo's are pretty cheap on eBay and I think OWC has some for around 20 USD. I'm not sure if any appropriate CPU cards were in this bundle but if it were up to me I would probably try a carrier card ZIF combo in there first as these work in such a wide range of machines. But unless anybody has one it's probably too expensive. Again I sold my only spare one a couple of weeks ago!! Otherwise I'd be tempted to try a Mach 5 CPU card. The 250 - 350 Mach 5's were only available for a short time when the G3's were first introduced and I'd guess that they are the closest machines , technology wise, to the PEX that were ever publically avaiable, remember they had ROM's that were fully G3 compatible. Mach 5 CPU cards also go prety cheap on eBay as lots of people by them for there older 9600's not realizing that they won't work in them. So again one could probably be had for around 20 USD. I think only once you have tried a graphics card and CPU will anyone be certain that a ROM is or isn't required.
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Captain Z
Mobile Ops Commander
USA
637 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 20:04:31
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Cine, the PEx that everyone knows about was a minitower. However this auction had another proto Power Express board that seems to be designed for a desktop like the beige g3 desktop. The main difference being it has 3 pci slots instead of 6. This board has "Manhattan" printed on it and thus is the Mahattan PEx.Uh everone feel free to correct me if I got it wrong.
PowerExpress wasn't just one or two obscure systems Apple was planning as I understand. PowerExpress was to be a sort of transition between the G2 and G3 lines. PowerExpress, was to become the Power Mac Pro G3, a Six Slot version of the Gossamer logicboard (the Beige G3). I have read varying reports of processor speed/type, from 604e 225MHz to G3 300MHz. PowerExpress Manhattan has no records. It looks like an early precursor to the DT Power Mac G3. The last one was the transitional Powerbook. Originally codenamed "Kanga", this was supposed to have a 603ev processor to be called the Powerbook 3500. It was later changed to have a G3 233MHz, and released as the original Powerbook G3. ------------------
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 21:04:31
Also my googling found that info leaked at the time of the powerexpress referred to the 9700 and 9700/av which the press believed to have the powerexpress boards in them. my guess is that the 9700av had built in firewire (hence that's where this came from and from other articles that i read.) and the actual hardware for the new dav port that applefritter was referring to. The 9700 could have been the 3 pci slot machine, but that's me going out on a weak limb.as far as graphics and processors go, that's just sort of a given (with any legacy mac) that you'll be upgrading the performance. I think that it probably has onboard video and probably any 3rd party upgrade will work or any other card besides from the mach5, those were made specifically for their mobos. I'm interested to find out what the system bus is on the motherboards. it could be significantly faster than the older machines at 50mhz. It could be the same as the beige machines, 66mhz.  that would be sweet... while thinking of it, you'd think that would be something that the anonymous person would have mentioned at applefritter if it really was working. For me that's been the thing i've been anticipating the most to hear from those of you that get them working. I imagine that apple will have a problem if we get this stuff working, until then they are probably getting a good laugh out of us. Except for the apple ninjas who are carefully planning their attack at the next full moon.... _______________________
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NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2002 : 21:37:37
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I imagine that apple will have a problem if we get this stuff working, until then they are probably getting a good laugh out of us. Except for the apple ninjas who are carefully planning their attack at the next full moon....
teehee! whatever!the keying in the DIMM slot under the battery on the MLA-PEx pic looks exactly like the keying on the G3 tower ROM DIMM on eBay. this is a good sign! jt ™.
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~Coxy
Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
Australia
2822 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 05:34:32
If you want a really detailed look inside a biege G3 minitower, I can do it on Monday if you want.~Coxy - Leader, Tactical Operations Unit
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macdaddy
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2002 : 09:29:43
Here's some pics of my beige G3. Dunno if it will help much tho...68k.dyndns.org/g3pics.html macdaddy - 68KMLA Field Meteorologist
68Ks at my base:
Q840AV,Q800, Q605, D280/DuoDock II,P550, LC 475,LCIII+,(2) LCIIIs,IIci, P410,LCII,Mac II
Contraband:
(2) PM G3/300 MTs, P6360, 5400/120,Q700/PPC 601, (2) 6100/66s
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