What Mac OS is best for Games!?

[miniMOJOman]

So after a few days of installing OS 7.1 on a few Mac SE's and loading them up with my favorite games, including but not limited to:

Dark Castle (one of the reasons for this thread)

Star Wars Arcade

Prince of Persia

Crystal Quest

Crystal Crazy

Arkanoid

Glider

Armor Alley

Shufflepuck

Lemmings!

Oh No! More Lemmings

and a few more I cant remember.

Moving on, the top 4 games in the list basically freeze up and cause system errors/address errors/unimplimented trap errors.

The screen glitches and the sound repeats and sometimes it restarts itself.  

So TODAY I checked the HDD's with Norton Disk Utilities and they all checked out fine, so I slapped them back in the SE's and reformatted/reinstalled Mac OS 6.0.8 this time.  Which is so much worse in terms of its functionality versus System 7.1. 

The games seem to now all play well with 6.0.8.  

Comments / Suggestions ?  (anything to spruce up 6.0.8 or has anyone had luck running these games on system 7.1 on a MAC SE?)

Forgot to mention that I used an Apple Techstep to monitor the computers voltage while using the floppy/hdd/scsi zip and the voltages are fine.  

Whats a good program to test the ram?

Thanks in advance!

 

[markyb86]

If system 6.0.8 will run the games that you want it to, I'd say stick with that. You can add some of the other features of system 7 to 6, with things like SuperClock! .

 

[miniMOJOman]

If system 6.0.8 will run the games that you want it to, I'd say stick with that. You can add some of the other features of system 7 to 6, with things like SuperClock! .

Yeah, I realize I was answering my own questions.  I guess I am looking for brainstorming, because I know there is an answer but would need the conglomerate to cooperate haha

 

[miniMOJOman]

I really cant stand that I cant make alias' in system 6.  Also no launching from the apple menu, or sub menus in the finder.

 

[uniserver]

7.1

 

[miniMOJOman]

7.1

uni, you kill me bro.... lol

 

[uniserver]

i have 3 sd cards that i use,  they all are HD20 images and i use them with the floppy emu… 

7.1

6.0.8

and i forget the other os i use for the 128k / 512k

and yup there are app's the don't run 7+

some good apps too.

there is one really cool app i like its called Music Works.

https://goo.gl/photos/oauNguTJzNdV6qgm8

 

[miniMOJOman]

Yeah, after I work on this SE, I have an SE/30 to play with, and the Plus..   guess ill be looking for the same thing on the plus and se/30 soon...

I bought some hard drives from another member and it had a program on it called "Music Prose" ill have to shoot a video of it soon.

Also found some floppies with a bunch of old games on it, might upload them to macintoshgarden if they dont already have them.

 

[TheWhiteFalcon]

Did you try 24-bit addressing in 7.1?

 

[miniMOJOman]

Did you try 24-bit addressing in 7.1?

If it wasn't enabled by default then no.  I am totally ignorant at the moment about it as well.  I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion

 

[Elfen]

How much RAM does the SE\30 have?

A lot of games I play is System 7 in either 040 or PPC. But that is a system requirement. Red Baron, Tank, Spectre VR, MAME and so on... And with a minimum of 16 megs of RAM.

When on System/OS 8, the games run slow. They run better on System 7.

There are older games that need System 6, I'll give it that. So it depends on the Mac and what it has, and the game. I'm sure you can use Swither (System 6) and Start Up Disk (System 7) to choose what system for what games you play.

Edit: And yes, you need 24bit addressing on if you have more than 8megs of RAM on the SE\30 in System 7.

 

[miniMOJOman]

How much RAM does the SE\30 have?

A lot of games I play is System 7 in either 040 or PPC. But that is a system requirement. Red Baron, Tank, Spectre VR, MAME and so on... And with a minimum of 16 megs of RAM.

When on System/OS 8, the games run slow. They run better on System 7.

There are older games that need System 6, I'll give it that. So it depends on the Mac and what it has, and the game. I'm sure you can use Swither (System 6) and Start Up Disk (System 7) to choose what system for what games you play.

Edit: And yes, you need 24bit addressing on if you have more than 8megs of RAM on the SE\30 in System 7.

Thanks, I am mainly talking about just the Mac SE in this post, I will be facing the same issues with the se/30 but not there yet.  Right now I want the SE (I grew up with it) to have all the games I used to play on it.  Is 24 bit addressing necessary for the Mac SE w/ 4mb ram?  

Any other game recommendations?

How bout a favorite program for testing ram?

 

[TheWhiteFalcon]

24-bit addressing is a compatibility fix, in the Memory control panel IIRC. You may have heard the phrase "32-bit dirty", some Macs had a bad ROM which was 24-bit, so they had some quirks. But some devs took advantage of those quirks, so they don't always work on a 32-bit setting.

 

[miniMOJOman]

I should find the info about the roms.. I think the techstep can read all that.... hmm

 

[Elfen]

OK. You said the magic word: Mac SE. I though this was a Mac SE\30. Then 24Bit addressing does not apply on the 68K Mac. But it should have 4Megs of RAM.

In this case, System 6 is better for most games than System 7. System 7 takes to make resources to be helpful. Somewhere I remember getting Spectre to run on a lab of Mac Pluses and SEs on a local network, but the graphics had to be in B/W with "Polygons not filled." And on System 6...

 

[miniMOJOman]

nice!  Spectre VR is def. one I used to play as a kid when it was released.  I will have to try that.  I am assuming it could be done between a Mac SE / Plus / CC if I wanted to right? Through appletalk?

I was planning on trying to get Armor Alley working as well.  

 

[Elfen]

nice!  Spectre VR is def. one I used to play as a kid when it was released.  I will have to try that.  I am assuming it could be done between a Mac SE / Plus / CC if I wanted to right? Through appletalk?

I was planning on trying to get Armor Alley working as well.  

It's Spectre, not Spectre VR. Though it is the same game with the same graphics, there are some levels not included in Spectre that is in Spectre VR. But it does have "The Arena" where every one goes after each other. And you can work it on AppleTalk. when I had that lab, I had it on 15 Macs (modified 512k w/2MB of RAM, 2 MacXLs, 3 SEs, 2 SE\30s all on a combination AppleTalk/PhoneNet network and I would plug in with my Duo 210 to cause havok. Those days were fun!

Spectre has a smaller game size than Spectre VR and fits nicely in a 68K Mac's 4 megs. Spectre VR would not fit on a 68K Mac.

As a test, if you can find the freeware version called "Spectre Demo" and run that on a Mac SE, then Spectre will work on it as well Spectre Demo is the same game but with 3 levels and no network play.

Remember to have it in B/W Mode with No Polygon Fills. 

 

[CC_333]

Falcon: Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that machines with a 68000 CPU are 24-bit only, and it was the Mac II, IIx, SE/30, and a few others that were 32-bit dirty (ie, they contained some 24-bit code).

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