Mibbit

[MacJunky]

Mike, seriously, if you only visit once per month (if even that) then you are the minority here and the rest of us should not have to bend over backwards just to support you and the troublemakers.

You and other legit users have been provided with other options. Please stop pushing for mibbit.

Also, Cory, I support the ban of mibbit and believe that it should last. Any web based client that masks user`s host addys should not be permitted.

 

[Cory5412]

Yeah, instead of a telnet interface, I went ahead and installed a java SSH client onto tacgnol. You can access it by going to http://www.stenoweb.net/term/

It takes a moment to load, but it works perfectly, at least here.

By default you have to hit enter to connect SSH to stenoweb.net, then it'll ask for your uid/password and you'll be able to log into access screen, irssi or ircii. It also has a few other nice things like an SFTP/SCP file transfer module, and it can do remote X forwarding (however I don't have any X applications installed on tacgnol.)

If anybody wants an account to tacgnol, just let me know and I can create an account for you!

 

[Mike Richardson]

Yeah, instead of a telnet interface, I went ahead and installed a java SSH client onto tacgnol. You can access it by going to http://www.stenoweb.net/term/It takes a moment to load, but it works perfectly, at least here.

By default you have to hit enter to connect SSH to stenoweb.net, then it'll ask for your uid/password and you'll be able to log into access screen, irssi or ircii. It also has a few other nice things like an SFTP/SCP file transfer module, and it can do remote X forwarding (however I don't have any X applications installed on tacgnol.)

If anybody wants an account to tacgnol, just let me know and I can create an account for you!

OS X already has an SSH client. I'm not sure how this is useful. I thought you meant you had installed a Java IRC client.

Mike, seriously, if you only visit once per month (if even that) then you are the minority here and the rest of us should not have to bend over backwards just to support you and the troublemakers.You and other legit users have been provided with other options. Please stop pushing for mibbit.

Also, Cory, I support the ban of mibbit and believe that it should last. Any web based client that masks user`s host addys should not be permitted.

You can bend as much or as little as you like. I'm not dictating the amount of bend-age you or others should endure. I used Mibbit twice and found it convenient. The convenience is gone so I probably just won't visit anymore. It doesn't matter if the tool is called Mibbit or Freenode or Grandma.

 

[Cory5412]

OS X has an SSH client, but Windows doesn't have one built in, and I don't want to open a public telnet port, which is the biggest reason I went for a java ssh client instead of (any) telnet client.

I can investigate installing an IRC client, this just happens to be the first step, and for gauranteed access, having an account on tacgnol or people-eater (or even one of your own machines, nothing stops you from using my web client to access another server) is the best way to go, because as MacJunky says, I'm done with supporting methods that allow users to evade bans easily.

 

[Mike Richardson]

You have to agree, though, that if someone really wants to, they can evade the ban whenever they want to. It's just a matter of proxies, VPNs, shell accounts, renewing IP, etc. There's no way to actually ban someone from a channel 100%.

 

[MacJunky]

Yes, but we can significantly reduce their options.

That is, however, not an excuse to not even bother.

This is not an insignificant move.(as you would have seen if you had been around the IRC channel)

 

[Cory5412]

As yet another update to the web chat situation, the web client now lets you join and watch the action, however currently (until July 5) you will need to ask an op to get +v set so you can speak. On July 5, we're transitioning the channel to such a state where you will need to log into freenode services before you can enter the channel, but once you are logged into freenode's services, you should be able to join the channel without any problems from any client.

Also: shell accounts on tacgnol are still available for anybody who just loves having shell accounts.

 

[wthww]

To post an update: The IRC channel is joinable by anyone with a regular client, or by using the freenode web client. You must be logged in to freenode services to talk. This is a fair trade off, without outright blocking a certain service. Mibbit is still blocked by freenode, but you can use their webclient.

//wthww

 

[Flash!]

You have absolutely no idea of what went on in the channel that lead to Cory's decision to block the Web client. Let me just say from first hand experience that the decision was entirely justified.

I'm curious...what was this big bad thing that happened on IRC?

 

[iMac600]

You have absolutely no idea of what went on in the channel that lead to Cory's decision to block the Web client. Let me just say from first hand experience that the decision was entirely justified.

I'm curious...what was this big bad thing that happened on IRC?

We had users repeatedly use the service for ban evasion. Became quite tiresome trying to keep track of just who was who, who was using a fake name and who was hiding behind Mibbit to do all of it.

 

[Flash!]

???? I'm not sure I understand....users were banned, and then they used this web based IRC to get around the ban?

If this is the case, to re-phrase my original question, what was the big bad thing that they did to get banned? Purely from a curiosity point of view.....

 

[John8520]

There are alot of things people can do to get banned, most usually it's either repeated use of foul language (warnings are always given prior to kicks and bans, some users ignore them), harassment in channel (which leads to harassment in PM which is a big no-no), and constantly starting fights in the channel.

I don't think anyone has been banned in a while, though at least once or twice a week someone gets kicked for foul language.

 

[Mike Richardson]

repeated use of foul language (warnings are always given prior to kicks and bans, some users ignore them)

That is false. I used the word "bastard" in IRC once and was kicked without warning. Sure made me feel welcome there. Not to mention that the "kick" just wastes everyone's time when all you have to do is join again.

 

[MacJunky]

Imo, the kick is a warning. it shows that the op(s) in charge are actually going to do something about you if you continue.

 

[Mike Richardson]

Imo, the kick is a warning. it shows that the op(s) in charge are actually going to do something about you if you continue.

Children will shrivel up and die because I said a bad word and the Glorious Operator will Strike me with his Mighty Boot.

 

[MacJunky]

Children will shrivel up and die because I said a bad word and the Glorious Operator will Strike me with his Mighty Boot.

Does not matter, you do not make the rules. You and I do not have a right to use the IRC channel, it is a privilege(even though it may not seem like the latter some of the time).There are physical locations that have stricter rules wrt what words you can use btw.

This may sound a bit harsh but what it comes down to is this: Either comply or go elsewhere.

 

[Mike Richardson]

Children will shrivel up and die because I said a bad word and the Glorious Operator will Strike me with his Mighty Boot.

Does not matter, you do not make the rules. You and I do not have a right to use the IRC channel, it is a privilege(even though it may not seem like the latter some of the time).There are physical locations that have stricter rules wrt what words you can use btw.

This may sound a bit harsh but what it comes down to is this: Either comply or go elsewhere.

Damn right. I don't go to the IRC channel anymore, lest I poison someone's virgin ears.

 

[John8520]

Well, it's unfortunate that you were kicked without warning, but it's similarly unfortunate that innocent people get thrown in jail. Similarly, I don't necessarially agree with the "family friendly" policy 100%, but guess what - as MacJunky said - it's not my channel, so I don't get to make up the rules, I get to follow the ones that other people have made.

At least, Mike, you've take the high road of just staying out of the channel. Some people like to sit in there and make a fuss about how they don't agree with the rules and why they should be changed and so on. It's rather annoying.