is there something different about 7.6?

[mraroid]

Hi...

I have been having a heck of a time formatting a 4GB CF card for my Color Classic.  I have tried to format it into 4 partitions, 2 partions and one 4GB partition.

I have been trying to load 7.5.3 and then upgrade to 7.5.5.  But nothing I do will let 7.5.3 see the SCSI drive. However, if I move to 7.6, it will see it and 7.6 instaled perfect.

I have been using two tools.  One is Drive Setup v 1.5 and the other is Anubis v 3.0.1e.  Both make partitions that 7.6 likes and sees.  But 7.5.3 can not see the partition or drive (no matter what the size of the partition).

Did something change between 7.5.5 and 7.6 in the formatting and init of hard drives?  Or am I doing something wrong?

I have also used tried Internal HD Format 1.3 (it did not see my drive), HD SC Setup (it did not see my drive), Disk tools disk #1 for 7.5.3 (it did not see my drive). Also frustrating is that Disk First Aid (on Disk tools for 7.5.3) can always see my drive, and when I test it, it says all is well.

I found that the Drive Set up 1.7.3 will see my drive and format it.

So, did something change between 7.5.5 and 7.6 as it relates to formatting and initing a drive?

As I can only down load software via Netscape 3.0, I can't receive any software on my Color Classic.  I have to buy it on ebay.

Any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong?  I would prefer to run a older OS then 7.6, unless I am stuck with it.

Thanks.

jack

 

 

[Paralel]

Your Anubis version is old, compared to the last 68k version that was released. Switch to 3.17 and give it another shot.

 

[mraroid]

Your Anubis version is old, compared to the last 68k version that was released. Switch to 3.17 and give it another shot.

Thanks.  I will start looking for 3.17.

jack

 

[mraroid]

It must be 3.1.7?  I found 3.5.2 but it needs OS 8.5 or later.  I will keep looking.

Thanks

jack

 

[rsolberg]

Systems prior to 8.0 require that the HFS filesystem is used. They cannot mount or be installed on HFS+ formatted partitions. HFS has a practical partition size limit of about 2GiB. In some cases, later versions of system 7 (7.6 IIRC) can see HFS partitions up to about 4GiB, but in my experience, things have been very unstable. I think this might be why things are showing up in 7.6, but not 7.5 for you. Multiple 2GiB or smaller partitions are what you'll need to use for System 7. Do ensure any partitions you create are using plain HFS. HFS+ a.k.a. HFS Extended is only supported by MacOS 8.0 and later. It adds support for partitions larger than 2GiB.

 

[Paralel]

Nope, its 3.17:

 

[Elfen]

You can format it on System 7.6 and then install 7.5 on it. There SHOULD be no problem doing that.

I've been saying the same thing, rsolberg. But there are those who profess the belief that this is not true. What is posted on websites and what is actually going on are two very different things, just as there is differences between theory and practice. (In fact one of those websites noted that there would be issues on partitions larger than 1GB, but I guess some people just do not read the Fine Print!)

 

[mraroid]

Thanks again for the good advice gentelman.  I have used HFS and not HFS+ when I format.  I first tried to split the 4GB CF card into 1.5GBs partions.  I did not know that HFS+ and HFS Extended were the same thing.  I will go back and re format and make sure I am not using HFS Extended.  Very good tip!!!

Paralel - Thanks for the heads up on the correct version of anubis - 3.17.

 

[mraroid]

I went back to format again using both Drive Setup v 1.5 and  Anubis v 3.0.1e.  I was using the normal HFS mode, and not Mac extended, or HFS+.  So that is not my problem.  I tried it this time with partions that were 1.49GBs each.

Until I can buy some other format software, I guess I will run 7.6 and call it good for now.  I am stuck.

Thanks for the tip.  But I must be doing something else wrong.  The CC boots just fine when I install a SCSI HD.  So I believe my Mac is OK.

jack

 

[Cory5412]

I've been saying the same thing, rsolberg. But there are those who profess the belief that this is not true. What is posted on websites and what is actually going on are two very different things, just as there is differences between theory and practice. (In fact one of those websites noted that there would be issues on partitions larger than 1GB, but I guess some people just do not read the Fine Print!)

System 7.5 and 7.6 should have no problems at all with larger partition sizes. "practical limit" is such a bad term to begin with. What most people mean by it is that if you use HFS on a disk bigger than about 4 gigabytes, each file is going to end up huge. If you're working with video or disk images, then this isn't really a problem, but it's an "inefficient" use of the hardware. (Not that it matters in an era where you can only easily find 32-gig CF cards.)

The solutions are to deal with it or to manually create and use partitions less than the full size of the disk.

Another possibility is to try out system 7.1 to see if its disk tools will let you use that big media. (7.1 should have no problems with 1 or 2-gig partitions.)

In terms of 7.5.3 vs 7.6.1 in operation on a Color Classic: you're not going to see a really big (any?) performance difference between the two. Ripping out unused extensions will make either of them faster, and you'll be able to minimize RAM use, but you won't get as slim as 7.1 with 7.5 or 7.6. (So if you want newer stuff that 7.5 has built in, you may as well go all the way forward to 7.6.)

 

[Cory5412]

One other thought: is there a particular reason you're using third party formatting tools? If you're just using like an SCSI2SD or an AztecMonster, these should, as far as I recall, happily work with Apple's built in tools.