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Beige G3 bootable from SCSI??
- Thread starter Quadraman
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yep, sure can!
I seem to remember hearing that the Beigey's built-in SCSI bus is very slow though, it is only really meant for Zip drives and things like that where high performance isn't needed.
/me dances a happy jig for built-in SCSI
'Tis a shame only 4 of my machines have it :-/
'Tis a shame only 4 of my machines have it :-/
Sure did.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112427
6 GB in 1997 really wasn't huge. I remember people having 10 GB drives in their PCs.
Peace,
Drew
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112427
6 GB in 1997 really wasn't huge. I remember people having 10 GB drives in their PCs.
Peace,
Drew
i think the Beige G3's internal scsi bus runs at 10mb/s and the external scsi connector ( i think ) is limited to 5mb/s. i could be a bit off on the external scsi. i know the onboard IDE on all Beige G3's is capable of 16mb/s even its not allot in the speed area you can tell a speed increase if the HDD will use all of the 16mb/s bandwidth of the onboard IDE. altho it does pail in comparison to a ATA 33 IDE bus , but the IDE speed on the Beige G3 is still capable of doing allot of things, but it is still a bottleneck when compaired to a faster IDE bus.
if you do get a IDE drive the Beige G3 can see and use up to a 128gb HDD, and even the full amount of a larger HDD if you get a PCI IDE controller card ( some have the same 128gb limit and some can see larger drives. but then you run into the question is it worth it to put the money into a Beige G3 ( it would depend on who you ask) every one here has a opinion on what Mac is worth upgrading.
when you do upgrade a Beige G3 it is still a very capable system but still lacks the performance that a newer model Mac has even when you upgrade it to the max
if you do get a IDE drive the Beige G3 can see and use up to a 128gb HDD, and even the full amount of a larger HDD if you get a PCI IDE controller card ( some have the same 128gb limit and some can see larger drives. but then you run into the question is it worth it to put the money into a Beige G3 ( it would depend on who you ask) every one here has a opinion on what Mac is worth upgrading.
when you do upgrade a Beige G3 it is still a very capable system but still lacks the performance that a newer model Mac has even when you upgrade it to the max
There's only one SCSI Bus on the Beige G3 that has both internal and external connectors. It runs at 5MBps.
You may be confusing it with the PCI Power Macs all of which, except the 7200 had two busses: a 10MBps Internal Bus, and a 5MBps Internal/External Bus.
Although the IDE Bus claims to be 16MBps, a 5MBps SCSI bus with just a fast hard drive will outperform it slightly due to overhead issues (sort of like FW 400 kbps being twice as fast in the real world as USB 2.0's 480 kbps)
Note the use of big B and small b. Big B = 8 small b.
You may be confusing it with the PCI Power Macs all of which, except the 7200 had two busses: a 10MBps Internal Bus, and a 5MBps Internal/External Bus.
Although the IDE Bus claims to be 16MBps, a 5MBps SCSI bus with just a fast hard drive will outperform it slightly due to overhead issues (sort of like FW 400 kbps being twice as fast in the real world as USB 2.0's 480 kbps)
Note the use of big B and small b. Big B = 8 small b.
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My first PC only had a 1.2 GB drive, and that was bought right at the start of '98! Added an 8 GB drive a year or two later, I still remember thinking how enormous that was and how I couldn't possibly ever fill it up! Now you can't even fit the OS inside 8 GB, let alone anything else...
My G3 is a late '98 model and had a 10 GB drive inside it though (Apple-logoed, so probably original) - that would have been pretty huge back then. And it had the 300 MHz processor and 640 MB Ram (though some of that must have been added at a later date, though it would still have had a lot more than the stock 32 MB when it was new, considering what it was used for) - makes that 233 MHz P1 that I had back then look very un-impressive! Just a shame I didn't have the $3,000 that G3s cost back then (plus whatever the extra memory cost) - my first PC didn't even cost half that, and that included a screen and printer!
Someone mentioned here that the requirement for Apple ROM drives was removed when IDE was introduced. I was certainly able to install a non-Apple IDE drive into my B&W. Not that that helps as a B&W is newer than a beige not to mention I installed OS X and not 9 (not even with Classic though I might consider it after I get my G4).
IDE drives are fine, I've formatted non-Apple ones using Drive Setup on OS 9 in my Beigey. If you're talking about SCSI drives, then just use Silverlining or something like that to format them.
No, use Drive Setup. If Drive Setup fails to recognize the drive, then resort to a third party app.
For what it is worth, I've never had Drive Setup not recognize a recent model SCSI drive. I've used it to format drives branded by Compaq (actually Seagate drives, but whatever), IBM drives, Connor drives, Quantum drives, and many a Seagate.
Peace,
Drew
For what it is worth, I've never had Drive Setup not recognize a recent model SCSI drive. I've used it to format drives branded by Compaq (actually Seagate drives, but whatever), IBM drives, Connor drives, Quantum drives, and many a Seagate.
Peace,
Drew
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