Bad Luck With Hard Drives

[Tempest]

I spent the day trying to put a new 1GB hard drive in my Mac Classic, but I've had zero luck so far. I've been testing these using an internal SCSI enclosure. I'm also using system 6.0.8.

Here are the drives I tried. I'm using Apple HD SC setup 7.3.5

IBM dpes-31080 - detected but unable to initialize

Seagate st51080N - not detected. Lots of jumpers on this one.

IBM 06h3369 / pn86g9022 - can't find a proper part number for this guy. Not detected.

Core international cx24325760 (full height) - not detected. Probably won't fit anyway.

Conner cp30540 (512mb) - not detected and seems to disable my internal drive. Can't find jumper settings.

Quantum prodrive lps - not detected

To add insult in injury I managed to corrupt my internal hard drive in the process of playing around with these (I think it was that Conner one). I find it odd that so many of these aren't being detected. I know it works though since I got an 80MB one to format and it likes the internal 512MB one I have.

Can someone recommend me a good 1GB SCSI drive that works under system 6.0.8?

 

[rsolberg]

Are you using a patched copy of HD SC Setup to allow it to initialise non-Apple drives?

 

[Tempest]

Yes. Sorry I should have mentioned that.

I read a post where someone suggested FWB Hard Disk Toolkit. Would that maybe solve my problem?

 

[Byrd]

LIDO is also pretty good for formatting drives

 

[Tempest]

Where can I find those? Macintosh Garden? Will they work under 6.0.8?

 

[rsolberg]

This sounds like a termination issue to me. I spent far more time than I'd like to admit fighting with a 1GB Seagate Hawk the other night in an enclosure connected to my new SE. I previously had the Hawk installed in my Color Classic until its noise drive me up the wall. I had "term enable", "term power from drive" jumpered and it was a no go in the enclosure. I couldn't mount or initialise the disk; it was invisible. I noticed my enclosure (Sun Unpack, 1999 vintage) had the auto term low light illuminated, so I tried removing both jumpers from the drive. Auto term low lit on the enclosure, and the drive waited for the bus to initialise before spinning up that time. Then the SE tried to boot 8.1 from this drive and it was Sad Mac time. After some grumbling and CMD-OPT-SHIFT-DELETE-0 contortions, I realised my enclosure's SCSI ID selector cable had come off the drive, effectively setting the drive to ID 0 and overriding the SE's internal HD. I remedied this and presto, it showed up and worked.

 

[Tempest]

I suppose it could be the terminator. I'm using a terminator block on the back of the enclosure, but I could try using the ones on the drive as well. Of course I have no idea if I have the terminator on the internal drive set or not which could be mucking things up as well.

 

[Tempest]

Lido formatted the IBM DPES drive no problem, but the other ones still aren't being detected.  The full height Core one is bad I think (Lido can't access it), but the other two 1GB drives don't even show up (the Seagate and the nameless IBM one).  I'm not sure if they're even getting power to be honest.  They too might be dead, but I'm guessing it's more likely bad jumper settings, but I swear I've tried everything.

Anyone have a cheap 1GB SCSI drive for sale?  I could always make due with my 512MB one, but 1GB would fit a lot more games.

 

[maceffects]

These drives could actually have failed, at this age its very common.  This is the reason SCSI drive prices are being driven up on market places like eBay.  You can for sure assume the Quantum ProDrive is toast.  LIDO or FWB are great programs and if they don't work, you either have a jumper/termination issue or a failed drive. 

 

[Tempest]

That's what I figured. They're probably dead.