AppleShare Server for home LAN

[ArmorAlley]

Hi everyone,

 This question has surely be posed before but I haven't really found any threads to it.

I have various Macs running System 6 up to 9.2.2 (and one running 10.2/10.3/10.4 but mac OS X doesn't bother me too much).

Is there a version of AppleShare Server that they all can use? There is no especial reason to use an AppleShare server other than the fact that I can. I have used filesharing up to this point. I just want filesharing and, in the future, to be able to run network games.

If I understand the Classic Mac Networking Guide [1] at the section «Apple Filing Protocol Ethernet Networks», then AppleShare File Server v2 should do.

I have AppleShare 4 and AppleShare 6 IP on CD. The latter is running on a Beige G3 on Mac OS 8.6 and my Performa 475 in Mac OS 8.1 can't see it. It seems that I have upgrade the AppleShare Client to 3.81. And while that is OK for Mac OS 8.1, I plan to run the 475 at System 7.1.

I have 2 hubs/routers — an 10Mbit hub/repeater and a 10/100/1000 router. The P475, Internet and the Beige G3 are currently plugged into the 10Mbit hub while the IIfx, MDD, B&W are in the 10/100/1000 router. The SE & SE/30 will go into the 10Mbit hub once they are up and running again. The 10Mbit hub is also plugged into the gigabit router. The G3 has Internet access (I can reset the date & time automatically in the control panels).

I have read a bit too much today about networking and the terminology is swimming around in my head.

Has anyone here implemented server software on an ethernet LAN to accommodate such a wide range of Mac OSs? If so, what version of AppleShareServer did you use and what versions of the AppleShare client did you use on the respective clients (if you remember such arcane detail)?

Thanks for your help

aa

[1] http://www.applefool.com/se30/

 

[beachycove]

I can’t remember all the details, but for YEARS I connected everything from System 7 to X.something to an ASIP6 server running both 8.6 and 9.1 (I used different ASIP6 versions). Everything there connected, and everything there (under OSX) also seamlessly connected with an A/UX box running its custom AppleShare version. I had one of those, too.

I really don’t understand the problem you are having connecting; though no doubt some standardization of AppleShare clients was  needed, I never had a hitch.

In my ASIP machine (an 8600), I had at the time a 500gb PATA drive running off a PCI card. I used to mount it as a share on hardware like a PowerBook 160 or a Classic II using LocalTalk, which was a wonder to behold. It was also very useful as a way to get software onto those old machines.

Less free time means I don’t fiddle so much with so many old machines these days, so I have it all turned off and most of it stuck on shelves. Ho hum.

 

[ArmorAlley]

 I am happy to hear that. I had expected ASIP 6 to support System 7.1 clients.

 It seems that ASIP 6 requires AppleShare Client 3.8 (which requires Mac OS 7.6), or, at least, this is what I am lead to believe. If anyone can state otherwise then I will be happy. It could be the cable between the P475 and the router, or some other factor, such as the wrong version of OpenTransport.

 

[beachycove]

Some random thoughts:

Your 475 is connected by Ethernet/ ethertalk or localtalk cabling? Appletalk is configured properly on the 475? Ethernet and localtalk can both be made to work, but the latter will involve more steps, and possibly more hardware.

Alternaitively, the trouble could be how you have networking and Appleshare set up in ASIP. Since setup is less than 100% obvious in the system, due to unfamiliar features such as Appletalk multihoming and the like, you might want to doublecheck that. ASIP will, furthermore, simultaneously serve files using both Appletalk over IP and the older proper Appletalk protocols, without IP. I don't remember offhand whether this is a "setting" or just works that way, but you'd need the latter for connecting from a system running 7.1, or for that matter, from a stock 8.1 installation. To put this another way, you do not need or want to connect over IP rather than Appletalk from the 475. I say this because that would be the only reason for needing version 3.8 and 7.6, as that is what allows connection to machines using the new IP sharing built into systems running X.4. But it cannot be done from 7.1.

On reflection, in fact, I really don't think there was need to update the client on a stock 7.1 install. System 6 did need an update, as far as I recall, but with that, it worked. I haven't that much experience with System 6, mind.

Another possibility: my machines were connected by ethertalk through an old dumb hub. Maybe your router is the problem. 

 

[ArmorAlley]

Hi beachycove,

You were correct, by the way. There was nothing wrong with the P475. I went to check the settings of ASIP 6.1 on the Beige G3 only to find that it hadn't started. I'm sure that I had set it to start up on startup.

Anyway, it hadn't and once I started up the server software, the server appeared in the Chooser of my P475. I rebooted into System 7.1 and there it was.

Thanks for your help,

aa