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Powerbook 140/50 problems

cmosless

Member
So I recently acquired three Powerbooks for $20 each, a 140 and two 150s, and all of them seem to have issues. So here's what's wrong with each:

Powerbook 140: the battery is totally dead, no corrosion, cosmetically in good condition. It will power on and I can hear the startup sound, followed by the hard drive whirring up (but no activity following it). If I insert a blank disk it will spit it out as if it's the wrong disk. The display will come on, but nothing is showing on the the display, nor does any fiddling with the contrast or brightness help. Pressing the interrupt button doesn't cause a crash. I can zap the PRAM with no issue.  Resetting the power manager has no effect.

Am I right in assuming what needs to be done is to re-cap the display, then replace the hard drive? Or is there  something else I can try?

Powerbook 150 1: the battery is dead, there is a small, subtle buildup of blue stuff on the negative terminal of the battery, the internal contacts look okay though. The unit, initially, was totally dead. Nothing seemed to work, I reset the power manager, tried pressing things, different power adapters (even though mine were known good), nothing seemed to bring it to life. I decided to keep it plugged in while I went to work on 150 #2 (I heard that keeping them plugged in for some time might help, even without the battery connected), and totally randomly, with no interaction, with the lid closed, about 30 minutes later the Powerbook randomly powered on to the chimes of death. The screen was black (with backlight on but displaying nothing), I pressed the reset key and nothing happened. And since then I haven't been able to get any sort of reaction out of it, except now it will occasionally make a slight electrical pop noise out of its speaker if I disconnect and reconnect the AC.

Not quite sure what I should do, should I leave it plugged in for a few days?

Powerbook 150 2: the battery had about 2-3v of charge in it, compared to the other batteries which were zero. The unit did nothing but occasionally make electric pop sounds when I disconnect/connect the AC adapter. I attempted resetting the power manager several times. One attempt, I was able to make out an incredibly distorted startup sound that abruptly ended. I decided to open this one up to take a look at the internals. Big mistake. The logic board looked visually okay (I did notice a chip bodged with some small green wire soldered to it, said wire was hot glued to the board.. strange..), it had a RAM expansion card (not sure if those are standard) as well. After reassembling the unit, I noticed the right hinge on the screen was loose. When I attempted to push it back into place (bad idea on my part), the hinge mount broke and the front bezel came loose. Now I can't properly close it as the display has practically fallen off the hinges. Still getting the same response out of it even after keeping it plugged in for some time.

Will probably have to repair the hinge mount somehow, but I'm still confused as to why this and the other 150 simply won't work.

Also, is the 150 susceptible to the same display capacitor issues as the 140? Is a 150 display compatible with a 140?

Any help to get any of these powerbooks into working condition would be appreciated.

EDIT: Just checked on Powerbook 150 #1 after having left it alone for about 2 hours on the charger, after a power manager reset it seems that pressing the reset button or the power button will cause a small "pop" noise to occur (electrical, from the speakers). Holding the reset button down will cause the sound to rapidly repeat. Don't know what this means, but I'm hoping it's good, having gone from being completely dead to making reproducible noises.

 
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tjjq44

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I own many 1xx powerbooks and I always remove the dead batteries because if they are shorted they can destroy the power circuit of the powerbook... You can even remove the battery cover (a little bit hard to slide it completely off) and put it back on the mac to make it look better ;)

The 150 isn't for me as interesting as the 140: No adb port, bad quality keyboard... the only interesting things it has is the 640 x 480 4 greyscales screen (the 140 has 640 x 400 B&W only) and the hard drive is IDE (140 is SCSI) so it may be easier to replace.

I don't have any 150 but I own one 145b (a 140 with 25Mhz CPU and 4Mb on board RAM) and two 170s and never have to replace any capacitor on their logic boards. On the other hand, the 140's screen itself may need recapping (especially if the contrast knob doesn't do anything...)

Does your 140 have backlight when you boot it? You may also remove the Hard Disk as it is probably dead now and if it is, it will prevent the mac from booting... Put a known good system 7.x startup disk (or my special 6.0.7.1 startup disk) to see if it boots, in this case it's probably only the screen you'll have to fix ;) If you let it on for 10 or 20mn maybe the screen contrast will be better too. But first thing, remove the battery!!!

http://tjjq.free.fr/mac/6071-hd.img

http://tjjq.free.fr/mac/6071-hd.hqx

 
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cmosless

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Don't worry, I removed all of the batteries first before powering them on.

Yes, the Powerbook 140 has a backlight that comes on, but I can't see anything, it's simply grey (but not the raster grey that appears, the screen is uniformly grey with no visible pixels). Currently leaving it on for some time to see if the display will decide to work or not. Contrast slider does nothing, the brightness slider will turn off the display if put to the lowest possible setting, but no variation is visible, it's pretty much just an on/off switch.

The Powerbook 150 #1 has developed some odd symptoms. After keeping it plugged into the AC overnight and throughout the day, I was able to (intermittently) power it on, perhaps one out of every 10 or 20 attempts (of fiddling with the reset/power buttons), it will either boot to a black screen (with backlight on) and play a very low-pitched, slow and creepy rendition of the chimes of death (4 chimes, abruptly restarts from the start of the sound, then stops), with a squealing/whining noise in the background of the sound, or it will begin to play the chimes (slightly distorted) but then get stuck 2 chimes in and constantly repeat the chime as a tone until the unit is removed from the AC. If it doesn't do these, it'll either do absolutely nothing, or make electrical static/popping noises when the buttons are pressed (and sometimes it will make a high pitched electrical whining sound coming from somewhere inside the unit, usually it will make this noise before it actually successfully powers on to the chimes).

The Powerbook 150 #2 is not responding at all, I'm going to attempt the same "plugged in overnight" treatment I gave #1 to see if I get any response.

 

Juror22

Well-known member
You may need to start opening them up and inspecting them to get a feel for what to do next.

Opening up the bottom half is pretty straightforward and there is an apple service source, available online to help, if you need it. (you may be able to follow the included troubleshooting steps)

I have also noticed that some of the coin batteries in these 1xx machines have been leaking (I have found two so far and replace them when I have them opened up, since they are all pretty much dead by this time).  The main battery in 150 #1 could have some damage internally, because of the battery leakage (blue tab on it), since the battery compartment is not well separated from the rest of the device.

 

tjjq44

Well-known member
Juror22 is right, dissasemble them in order to see and clean any leakage, pull the HDDs off for now, remove any ram extension, and try to boot them from a known good floppy. If you hear it loading the motherboard is pretty sure to be OK, next step, recap the screen ;)

 

tjjq44

Well-known member
Why should he replace the floppy drive? It's normal the mac ejects the disk if it is blank lol

 

CC_333

Well-known member
Especially a known-good boot disk.

I'm not sure how, but you could try cleaning the heads? That might help the drive read disks better.

c

 

tjjq44

Well-known member
He never told "boot" disk but he said "blank" disk!! A blank disk is a disk with nothing on it...

 
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