Anyone have a copy of "AppleTalk Phase 2 Protocol Specification" (C0144LL/A)?

[NJRoadfan]

See title. This was available thru APDA as part number C0144LL/A, but doesn't seem to have been archived. It covers nitty gritty AppleTalk networking details that aren't covered in "Inside AppleTalk" and is considered an addendum to that book. Apple's APDA listing says that IA 2nd Edition incorporates all the information, while old usenet posts say there is stuff missing and only found in that document.

 

[Realitystorm]

Is there a copy on one of Apple's early 90s CD? https://www.savagetaylor.com/2024/0...ntosh-1984-to-1996/#spinside_mac_1989_to_1993

 

[Mk.558]

Not as far as I can tell.

Macintosh: Mac - SpInside Mac - May92 Text : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Macintosh: Mac - SpInside Mac - May92 Text

archive.org

There was someone on VCF advertising one, but that was in 2009. sadge

 

[NJRoadfan]

Unfortunately this was a document you had to pay $20 for. Apple didn't seem to release it digitally later on. Quite a bit of APDA documentation is likely lost because of this. Maybe @al kossow knows of someone who might have this in their "stacks" somewhere?

The bit of information I'm looking for is the Apple documented procedure for boot strapping a non-seed router on an extended AppleTalk network. I'm also hoping it fills in some noticeable gaps in some topics in Inside AppleTalk.

 

[Mk.558]

Bet you some guy on VCF has one. Might be single digit copies of that worldwide: that's a very specific thing to ask the ol' Dogcow building boys for.

 

[Realitystorm]

I'll keep an eye out while I finish going through the Apple CDs I'm writing about on my site. I assume you've already looked at the different technical and knowledge base articles from the late 80s and early 90s about Phase 2. Eg: https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/nw/nw_03.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS10002545

 

[robin-fo]

boot strapping a non-seed router on an extended AppleTalk network

Could you maybe reverse-engineer the behaviour from a network of several Macs running AIR (which we can consider as reference implementation)

Or reverse-engineer from the Mac OS X AppleTalk stack?

 

[Realitystorm]

Well, as a long shot I just sent Alan Oppenheimer a message on LinkedIn, he presented at WWDC 1990 about Apple Talk Phase 2 and referenced the document you are looking for. He was part of the original Macintosh networking team.

 

[Realitystorm]

Well, as a long shot I just sent Alan Oppenheimer a message on LinkedIn, he presented at WWDC 1990 about Apple Talk Phase 2 and referenced the document you are looking for. He was part of the original Macintosh networking team.

He responded! He's looking to see if he has a copy.

 

[cheesestraws]

Is this just where we go down on our knees and go "pleeeease send us anything APDAish you have about appletalk pleeeeeease?"

 

[NJRoadfan]

Thats... promising news.

I have a general idea of how the bootstrap should work, mostly be monitoring what my Fastpath and netatalk do when starting up. Maybe top secret information like what off-the-shelf transformer to use for LocalTalk will be found.

 

[NJRoadfan]

..and if we are wishing for other things, there is always the 67 page "Print Spooling in an AppleTalk Network" APDA product # A7Z0013. Although I really don't need it since Adobe documented most everything the LaserWriter driver does.

 

[Realitystorm]

So no luck on the document so far, but Alan Oppenheimer did respond
"I have lots of other documents, and if I ever retire, maybe I'll organize them (I gave a bunch to Stanford many years ago too). Right now I'm way too busy (big intro next month; see artauthority.museum). It would be fun to have an AppleTalk zoom this summer sometime."

So, if he finds the time for a zoom meeting I'll let the group know and hopefully he'll be able to answer some LocalTalk questions for all of you.