supernova777
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when i say accelleration i mean mostly 2D + GUI accelleration..for working in apps... not 3d games
ok its common knowledge for some time that the radeon 7000 is one of the best graphics cards for the b+w g3..... just resurrecting mine this last week, i had nothing but headaches with a radeon 7000 PCI card, which i believe is one of the ones sold on ebay by user "howfunkel" its a saphire radeon 7000 probably a PC version thats been flashed. what im not sure of is whether or not the rom is 64kb or 128kb chip on the card and/or whether or not its using the full 128kb mac rom for the 7000 gpu, or if its using a amateur-hacked-reduced 64kb version
basically without checking those facts for certain based on my experience with using the card im guessing it is the reduced rom.. and that they somehow yanked some of the code out of the rom that was to do with managing the vga port in order to get the size of the rom below 64kb... effectively ruining dual display ability because when i try to boot with this sapphire 7000 card in my b+W g3, if i have the monitor connected to the VGA port, the screen doesnt adjust itself properly + the resolutions are not set properly as they would with a real mac edition card (i noticed by observing my 8500 + another 9200 mac edition PCI i have) so the rom file has to have been hacked.
there is a workaround i guess if u are only using one monitor off hte card -- i think if u use a dvi to VGA adapter and attach the monitor to the DVI port this way, then theres no problems at all! and the problem with resolution on the vga port could probably be fixed by adjusting monitor contrl panel. i just dont want any of these little headaches anymore i just want the right card that works 100% good always as long as im using os8.6 + 9.22 - some people are lucky and buy the right perfect hardware combo from the getgo.. some of us are forever cursed hahahaha
i wish i was skilled enough to relace the rom file and reflash it myself but thats above my comfort level (lol) so im probably just going to order a real mac edition card on ebay.. the real mac edition cards are mostly on GREEN PCBS and they have 32MB of ram not 64mb..
most of them have the circular older radeon style logo printed in whtie on the pcb, some are oem vga only and some are retail or BTO i guess? having DVI + Svideo + VGA
the other facts i know/read:
"MacOS8.6 has built in support for all Rage 128 graphics"
does this mean that any older rage 128 pc cards will "just work" without flashing?
id be interested to find out
im wondering if the Radeon 7500 AGP would work..
given that the only machine that had AGP that could run os8.6 was the sawtooth
which is a tiny window of time, so im guessing they wouldnt have gone too far out of their way to make custom drivers for the small percentage of sawtooth owners that managed to pick a radeon 7500 to upgrade to.. but i know there were some 7500 AGP cards with ADC i saw them on ebay just yesterday
my thinking is.. if the radeon 7000 can get 2d accelleration working in macos8.6
maybe the radeon 7500 can aswell? (as opposed to the 9xxx series cards that
work fine in os8.6 but have no accelleration support such as the 9200 + 9800 etc)
does anyone have experience with attempting this in combination with os8.6?
its my understanding that the 8500 can have 2d accelleration working under os8.6?
can anyone confirm that?
so my thinking is if the 8500 supports it.. and it came out in October 2001..
then the 7500 must aswell given that it was out in July 2001
please share if u have any comments that can be constructive
im using software + hardware packages that were made in the mid-late 90s
lke 1995 1996 1997 and that why i prefer to use os8.6 for compatibiltiy with these apps i use
its great performance on a g4 450mhz with sata pci disk storage upgrade
heres some notes i put together last nite about the timing / release dates of gpus related to mac os 8.6 vs mac os 9.2 - most people know the os9 ones.
os8.6 support is trickier to research aswell being obscured by many different MacOS versions over the many years!
Ati mach 64 - 1994
The 3D RAGE was released in April 1996
s3 virge july 1996
matrox Mystique on August 14, 1996.
rage pro LT -Nov 1996
ATI's 3D RAGE™ PRO - match 1997
matrox mystique 220 - 1997 ?
Matrox Millenium 2 - Jul 1997
Voodoo Rush - Aug 1997
Riva 128 - Oct 1997
The first RIVA TNT released on June 15, 1998
banta march 1999
Riva TNT2 - May 1999
ATI Rage 128 Pro - August 1999
matrox g400 released in September 1999
The Geforce 256 was released on Oct 11 1999
Riva TNT2 M64 - Oct 1999
Riva TNT Pro - Oct 1999
Radeon DDR 32mb/64mb - May 2000
Geforce 2 - April 2000,
Radeon SDR - July 2000
GeForce2 MX - September 7, 2000.
Geforce 3 - January 2001
Radeon 7500 - July 2001
Radeon 8500 - Oct 2001
Geforce 4 Ti - April 2002
Radeon 7000 mac edition april 2002
Radeon 9000 - Aug 2002
Radeon 9500 - Oct 2002
Radeon 9200 - April 2003
Radeon 9800 Pro - March 2003
GeForce FX 5200 - april 2003
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra - May 2003
GeForce FX 5700 - oct 2003
Geforce FX 5900XT - December 2003
Radeon 9600 XT - Sept 2003
so according to this april 2002 was a major cutoff point as geforce4 TI and radeon 7000 both came out then..
after that it was just 9xxx series + FX Geforce
another list of cards on this site:
http://cube.skymac.org/graphiccard.htm
i also think the original radeon retail mac edition card (radeon VE or Radeon 7200 later called)
will work in os8.6 with accell?
http://lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/ati-radeon-mac-edition-pci.jpg
anyways.. i think the rule of thumb for radeons is to look for - GREEN PCB
-32mb of ram or less - ^^ this white circular ATI RADEON logo
i think thats the key to getting one that works properly with mac os 8.6
at least im guessing.. maybe some users can confirm or deny
What about Nvidia Geforce 2MX or Geforce 2/3 Retail cards
can Geforce 6200 have 2D Acelleration under 9.22 or 8.6?
what about Riva 128? Riva TNT? are those supported on Mac os 8.6?
ok its common knowledge for some time that the radeon 7000 is one of the best graphics cards for the b+w g3..... just resurrecting mine this last week, i had nothing but headaches with a radeon 7000 PCI card, which i believe is one of the ones sold on ebay by user "howfunkel" its a saphire radeon 7000 probably a PC version thats been flashed. what im not sure of is whether or not the rom is 64kb or 128kb chip on the card and/or whether or not its using the full 128kb mac rom for the 7000 gpu, or if its using a amateur-hacked-reduced 64kb version
basically without checking those facts for certain based on my experience with using the card im guessing it is the reduced rom.. and that they somehow yanked some of the code out of the rom that was to do with managing the vga port in order to get the size of the rom below 64kb... effectively ruining dual display ability because when i try to boot with this sapphire 7000 card in my b+W g3, if i have the monitor connected to the VGA port, the screen doesnt adjust itself properly + the resolutions are not set properly as they would with a real mac edition card (i noticed by observing my 8500 + another 9200 mac edition PCI i have) so the rom file has to have been hacked.
there is a workaround i guess if u are only using one monitor off hte card -- i think if u use a dvi to VGA adapter and attach the monitor to the DVI port this way, then theres no problems at all! and the problem with resolution on the vga port could probably be fixed by adjusting monitor contrl panel. i just dont want any of these little headaches anymore i just want the right card that works 100% good always as long as im using os8.6 + 9.22 - some people are lucky and buy the right perfect hardware combo from the getgo.. some of us are forever cursed hahahaha
i wish i was skilled enough to relace the rom file and reflash it myself but thats above my comfort level (lol) so im probably just going to order a real mac edition card on ebay.. the real mac edition cards are mostly on GREEN PCBS and they have 32MB of ram not 64mb..
most of them have the circular older radeon style logo printed in whtie on the pcb, some are oem vga only and some are retail or BTO i guess? having DVI + Svideo + VGA
the other facts i know/read:
"MacOS8.6 has built in support for all Rage 128 graphics"
does this mean that any older rage 128 pc cards will "just work" without flashing?
id be interested to find out
im wondering if the Radeon 7500 AGP would work..
given that the only machine that had AGP that could run os8.6 was the sawtooth
which is a tiny window of time, so im guessing they wouldnt have gone too far out of their way to make custom drivers for the small percentage of sawtooth owners that managed to pick a radeon 7500 to upgrade to.. but i know there were some 7500 AGP cards with ADC i saw them on ebay just yesterday
my thinking is.. if the radeon 7000 can get 2d accelleration working in macos8.6
maybe the radeon 7500 can aswell? (as opposed to the 9xxx series cards that
work fine in os8.6 but have no accelleration support such as the 9200 + 9800 etc)
does anyone have experience with attempting this in combination with os8.6?
its my understanding that the 8500 can have 2d accelleration working under os8.6?
can anyone confirm that?
so my thinking is if the 8500 supports it.. and it came out in October 2001..
then the 7500 must aswell given that it was out in July 2001
please share if u have any comments that can be constructive
im using software + hardware packages that were made in the mid-late 90s
lke 1995 1996 1997 and that why i prefer to use os8.6 for compatibiltiy with these apps i use
its great performance on a g4 450mhz with sata pci disk storage upgrade
heres some notes i put together last nite about the timing / release dates of gpus related to mac os 8.6 vs mac os 9.2 - most people know the os9 ones.
os8.6 support is trickier to research aswell being obscured by many different MacOS versions over the many years!
Ati mach 64 - 1994
The 3D RAGE was released in April 1996
s3 virge july 1996
matrox Mystique on August 14, 1996.
rage pro LT -Nov 1996
ATI's 3D RAGE™ PRO - match 1997
matrox mystique 220 - 1997 ?
Matrox Millenium 2 - Jul 1997
Voodoo Rush - Aug 1997
Riva 128 - Oct 1997
The first RIVA TNT released on June 15, 1998
banta march 1999
Riva TNT2 - May 1999
ATI Rage 128 Pro - August 1999
matrox g400 released in September 1999
The Geforce 256 was released on Oct 11 1999
Riva TNT2 M64 - Oct 1999
Riva TNT Pro - Oct 1999
Radeon DDR 32mb/64mb - May 2000
Geforce 2 - April 2000,
Radeon SDR - July 2000
GeForce2 MX - September 7, 2000.
Geforce 3 - January 2001
Radeon 7500 - July 2001
Radeon 8500 - Oct 2001
Geforce 4 Ti - April 2002
Radeon 7000 mac edition april 2002
Radeon 9000 - Aug 2002
Radeon 9500 - Oct 2002
Radeon 9200 - April 2003
Radeon 9800 Pro - March 2003
GeForce FX 5200 - april 2003
GeForce FX 5900 Ultra - May 2003
GeForce FX 5700 - oct 2003
Geforce FX 5900XT - December 2003
Radeon 9600 XT - Sept 2003
so according to this april 2002 was a major cutoff point as geforce4 TI and radeon 7000 both came out then..
after that it was just 9xxx series + FX Geforce
another list of cards on this site:
http://cube.skymac.org/graphiccard.htm
i also think the original radeon retail mac edition card (radeon VE or Radeon 7200 later called)
will work in os8.6 with accell?
http://lowendmac.com/wp-content/uploads/ati-radeon-mac-edition-pci.jpg
anyways.. i think the rule of thumb for radeons is to look for - GREEN PCB
-32mb of ram or less - ^^ this white circular ATI RADEON logo
i think thats the key to getting one that works properly with mac os 8.6
at least im guessing.. maybe some users can confirm or deny
What about Nvidia Geforce 2MX or Geforce 2/3 Retail cards
can Geforce 6200 have 2D Acelleration under 9.22 or 8.6?
what about Riva 128? Riva TNT? are those supported on Mac os 8.6?
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