kissmyash933 Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 So, I recapped my IIci and stuffed it full of cards only to find out that the HDD was dead. My standard method of replacement is a 2.5" IBM Ultra 320 SCSI drive on an adapter, partitioned into small chunks. I booted up the machine, formatted with a Patched Drive Setup and installed System 7.1 only to find that it wouldn't boot, and then wouldn't mount when I booted up with a DT disk. The error received was "You need a 68040 or PPC mac for large volumes" I was under the impression that as long as I kept the partitions under 2GB, everything should work fine. Any way around this particular issue? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnklos Posted October 27, 2019 Report Share Posted October 27, 2019 You most likely need to use Apple HD SC Setup (patched) or an older Drive Setup. I always thought Drive Setup would DTRT when running on an '030, but I suppose not. If I had to guess, I'd guess you have a Drive Setup from 8.0 or 8.1. Somewhere there's a list of versions of Drive Setup, the versions of SCSI drivers they install, and what models of machine are supported by each version, but I don't know where that is off the top of my head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kissmyash933 Posted October 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Heck yes, this is exactly the information I needed! Thank you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pcamen Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 Lido and Anubis are useful utilities for setting up drives too. https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/lido-756 https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/anubis-plus-v352 I particularly like Anubus' feature to create X number of equally sized partitions on a device; very easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Unknown_K Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 Pretty much what pcamen posted. You used a formatter for PPC and the 68k machine didn't like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badCaps Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 10/26/2019 at 7:46 PM, kissmyash933 said: My standard method of replacement is a 2.5" IBM Ultra 320 SCSI drive on an adapter, Which adapter do you use for this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pcamen Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 These are the ones that were recently recommended for me. I've used them before as well and they seem to work well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/80pin-to-50pin-SCSI-Adapter-Brand-New/392280277910?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JT737 Posted November 27, 2019 Report Share Posted November 27, 2019 I use Lido 7 to partition my drives. In my SE/30 I am currently using a SCSI2SD converter with a 16gb micro SD card that I have partitioned into 4 4gb slices. Works great! And it sure is nice to have the space. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badCaps Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 21 hours ago, pcamen said: These are the ones that were recently recommended for me. I've used them before as well and they seem to work well. https://www.ebay.com/itm/80pin-to-50pin-SCSI-Adapter-Brand-New/392280277910?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Thanks! Not sure why I haven't heard of the adapter/2.5" ultra320 combo before but I'm glad I just did. $32 shipped for both is what I paid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kissmyash933 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 9:04 PM, badCaps said: Thanks! Not sure why I haven't heard of the adapter/2.5" ultra320 combo before but I'm glad I just did. $32 shipped for both is what I paid. The adapters quoted are the exact adapters that I use. It seems they have gone up a little bit in price though! They work like a charm, just make sure you have a terminator on the end of your cable since these drives don't do internal termination. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter ScutBoy Posted December 4, 2019 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 15 hours ago, kissmyash933 said: The adapters quoted are the exact adapters that I use. It seems they have gone up a little bit in price though! They work like a charm, just make sure you have a terminator on the end of your cable since these drives don't do internal termination. I've used these as well with surplus 2.5" SCA server drives. The drives can get a little warm but since they are 2.5" in spaces generally made for 3.5" or bigger drives, "stock" ventilation is usually enough. I use in-line terminators at the board (cable->terminator->board->SCA drive) and this seems to work fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badCaps Posted December 6, 2019 Report Share Posted December 6, 2019 Got my adapter, the same as linked but from different seller, and IBM U320 drive. Didn't think about the terminators! Plugged it all in and the drive doesn't even spin up. No terminator but I don't see how that would prevent the drive from powering up. I guess my options are buy another drive and or adapter to see which one is the issue, then return the defective item. Well before that I'll try a different machine and just plug the drive/adapter into an external power supply. Any other ideas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kissmyash933 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, badCaps said: Got my adapter, the same as linked but from different seller, and IBM U320 drive. Didn't think about the terminators! Plugged it all in and the drive doesn't even spin up. No terminator but I don't see how that would prevent the drive from powering up. I guess my options are buy another drive and or adapter to see which one is the issue, then return the defective item. Well before that I'll try a different machine and just plug the drive/adapter into an external power supply. Any other ideas? That's weird that it wont spin up, but I have actually had this problem before. Does it spin up if you hook it up to a regular ATX PSU? I've seen some PSU's on macs not provide enough power, and I've also seen sometimes that there is a Motor Delay jumper set, or even a motor jumper that needs to be set to tell the drive to spin up, look at the jumpers on your adapter. also: these adapters aren't what I would call excellent quality, I've had a few of them fail on me. Check for cold solder joints and buy a couple more of them that actually have the labels next to the jumpers for testing. Edited December 7, 2019 by kissmyash933 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badCaps Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 I ended up buying a new SCSI adapter and the drive worked fine. Not sure what everyone is using for a mounting solution but I couldn't find anything so I made this 3d printed adapter thing. Adapts to the plastic rail and provides strain relief for the SCSI adapter. Works good so far in my 6100. Are these rails pretty universal among PPC chassis? Looks the same as my 8500, Performa 62xx and a few others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NJRoadfan Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 The later "outrigger" beige PCI PowerMacs use the same rails. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnklos Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 I like the mounting! I just bought a 300 gig 3.5" SCA SCSI drive because I couldn't find a mount for an IBM 2.5" drive. What you have would've likely worked perfectly, but the 300 gig drive was only $25. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter ScutBoy Posted August 7, 2020 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 That 3D printed adapter is awesome - I like that it holds the adapter PCB steady. Would you be willing to share the .stl? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaPorta Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 That's slick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrFahrenheit Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just a warning that not all SCA to 50 pin scsi adapter boards are the same. I struggled for months trying to buy ones that worked with the Mac. At the present time there aren’t any on eBay that will work properly with a Mac. I found a place that still stocks and sells them. It’s at Datastoragecables.com. You have to make sure your board has 3 rows of terminators on it. Many on eBay say they have termination but when you receive it, it’s not the same as what was pictured. I know because I bought some from pretty much every seller and I have a box of adapter boards that just don’t work. Ive bought nearly 50 of the boards from the supplier above and they work perfectly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pcamen Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Yea, I got some from eBay a few months ago and had no luck with my 2.5" hard drives. You mean this one, right? https://www.datastoragecables.com/scsi/internaladapters/sca80/SM-028.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrFahrenheit Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Yes, I can confirm that on the several models of drives and Macs that these ones do work properly. I’ve tried them in everything from IIci, IIfx, and LC class, along with Quadras and PowerMac 6100, 7200, and 8600 machines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter ScutBoy Posted August 7, 2020 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 I've ordered in-line terminators that go between the adapter boards and the cable to use the adapter boards without termination. Works OK, though it does make the whole package a bit large, though not much larger than the original 3.5" drive in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pcamen Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 You got a link for those @ScutBoy? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter ScutBoy Posted August 7, 2020 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 hours ago, pcamen said: You got a link for those @ScutBoy? Here's one from the 'bay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/50pin-wire-Internal-Male-Female-cable-cord-Terminator-SCSI1-2-HD-HDD-CD-Drive/123731376313?hash=item1ccef6f8b9:g:1FAAAOxyVaBSo3dQ Didn't check amazon or monoprice, but they're probably there as well as more listings on eBay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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