Elysiom Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi, My first post, this is a great forum with a vast amount of information I recently bought a SE/30 on eBay and I'm working on restoring it to it's original condition I have searched around and found some stock SE/30 images the machine sitting with the IIGS keyboard as well as the standard original ADB keyboard Which one original came with the machine by default? What's a good BBS that is still alive (active) and kicking today? That I could access with MacTerminal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCGuy Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 The original Apple ADB Keyboard (called, simply the Apple Keyboard) would've come with the SE/30. Unfortunately I can't imagine many BBS's would still be alive and kicking today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I figured that when I started finding pictures of the SE with the standard full keyboard, d'oh I have a IIgs keyboard on the way, if its crap I'll just have to go searching for the fullsize Thanks for your reply/time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 A look at bulletin board systems in wikipedia suggests http://www.telnetbbsguide.com/dialbbs/dialbbs.htm ]'> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog Cow Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I have a IIgs keyboard on the way, if its crap I'll just have to go searching for the fullsize Not very high expectations? There are some who hold it in high regard, the best keyboard ever made! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 A look at bulletin board systems in wikipedia suggestshttp://www.telnetbbsguide.com/dialbbs/dialbbs.htm ]'> Actually I think what I am looking for is more of a terminal accessible BBS from the internet, not of the dial in type We don't have a landline so dialing in isn't an option at the moment Where would you find zterminal or MacTerminal now a days? System 6 Heaven's mirrors are down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Baret Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 IIRC the SE series did not come with keyboards in the box. It could have come with just about anything considering its run was from January 1989 until October 1991. I've seen IIGS keyboards, both types of extended, the original "clicky" short keyboard, and, with the later models, the Keyboard II. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
~Coxy Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I also don't think the SE came with a keyboard. You had the choice of the Apple Keyboard or the Apple Extended, both sold separately, or you could buy any one of a number of third part keyboards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That certainly does make sense many of machines in the 80s were just the machine it self Quote Link to post Share on other sites
luddite Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Actually I think what I am looking for is more of a terminal accessible BBS from the internet, not of the dial in type See sig No games, no files... mostly inane chatter, but we likes it. There's also Age of Reason at telnet://aor.retroarchive.org running on an Apple IIe; the RetroBBS (home of RetroChallenge) at telnet://lorance.no-ip.org and (for now at least) RetroBaud at telnet://retrobaud.dyndns.org BTW, the IIgs keyboard is really nice IMHO, but there are many who disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mac128 Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 That certainly does make sense many of machines in the 80s were just the machine it self Yep, Apple was at the height of its greed with Jean-Louis Gassée and John Scully practically giddy with the prospect of charging ultra premiums since they believed they had the monopoly on the GUI. Here's the proof the SE lacked a keyboard: http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/ads/ads/macintosh/sespecs4.jpg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Baret Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 The IIGS keyboard is well-liked by those with smaller fingers, as the area on which the key can be pressed is somewhat smaller than other ADB keyboards. Try one before you buy one, if you can. If you are interested in the feel of the keyboard, the extended keyboards (I and II), IIGS keyboard, and original ADB "short" keyboard are clicky in nature. The Apple Keyboard II (the newer short keyboard) is not clicky (and is downright mushy if you find one manufactured in Mexico...I recommend one from Malaysia instead). The AppleDesign keyboard (late 1990s ADB extended model) follows the same logic as the Keyboard II in terms of country of origin and feel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 The IIGS keyboard is well-liked by those with smaller fingers, as the area on which the key can be pressed is somewhat smaller than other ADB keyboards. Try one before you buy one, if you can. If you are interested in the feel of the keyboard, the extended keyboards (I and II), IIGS keyboard, and original ADB "short" keyboard are clicky in nature. The Apple Keyboard II (the newer short keyboard) is not clicky (and is downright mushy if you find one manufactured in Mexico...I recommend one from Malaysia instead). The AppleDesign keyboard (late 1990s ADB extended model) follows the same logic as the Keyboard II in terms of country of origin and feel. The short Apple Keyboard II, is this the one that came with the Classic and Classic II? If so I remember it well and even the power on button felt cheap In junior high I had a Macintosh II and it had the original extended ADB keyboard (the one I should of bought) I guess I will see just how good the original short ADB keyboard is I have a Power Macintosh 8500 somewhere at work with the 2nd version of the extended keyboard (tear drop mouse era) and it types well and inst super loud, I was thinking of just snagging that but it wouldn't be historically correct That certainly does make sense many of machines in the 80s were just the machine it self Yep, Apple was at the height of its greed with Jean-Louis Gassée and John Scully practically giddy with the prospect of charging ultra premiums since they believed they had the monopoly on the GUI. Here's the proof the SE lacked a keyboard: http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/ads/ads/macintosh/sespecs4.jpg This is pretty awesome, I've been looking for some older Mac marketing material, commercials and such Actually I think what I am looking for is more of a terminal accessible BBS from the internet, not of the dial in type See sig No games, no files... mostly inane chatter, but we likes it. There's also Age of Reason at telnet://aor.retroarchive.org running on an Apple IIe; the RetroBBS (home of RetroChallenge) at telnet://lorance.no-ip.org and (for now at least) RetroBaud at telnet://retrobaud.dyndns.org BTW, the IIgs keyboard is really nice IMHO, but there are many who disagree. Thanks, I will give that a try once I get it up and running Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Baret Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Yes, the Keyboard II came with all Classic and LC models (which included keyboards right in the box). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaryMG Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 In case anyone's intersted here's the list of the BBS directory from Wally's link .... 206-244-9661 Top Hat 206-386-4199 Seattle CommunityNet 207-784-2130 Kobayashi Alternative 214-333-5385 Discovery 214-987-2135 Eclectic BBS 281-272-8162 Ye Olde Inn 289-997-1205 DarkRealms 301-574-1472 Eagle's Dare 301-949-5764 IdeaLink 302-762-2003 Delaware OnLine! 303-665-6091 The King's Market 303-679-0161 Empire Of The Dragon 305-248-7815 Santronics SoftWare 337-232-4155 Positronium 401-724-4410 ChowdaNet 403-288-8208 Mike's MadHouse 416-698-6573 BayMan 450-466-9637 Evening Shade 501-224-0915 ThunderBolt 502-875-8938 Capitol City OnLine 503-523-0136 The Keep 512-327-8598 TechnoDrome 530-534-5329 TDEC West 575-461-0077 QuasiIndefatigable X 604-266-5271 The BandMaster 607-655-5652 The Prism 608-267-7551 WI Lakes BBS 613-392-8896 The Lion's Den 626-355-5347 Mysteria 734-484-0512 Grex 770-788-6492 Bozax 780-439-8364 Xanadu 780-963-1859 The PowerStation 815-727-6072 The ShareWare Library 860-535-4284 Bits & Bytes 905-840-0592 HomeWard Bound 937-279-0136 My Crazy World 940-565-9165 The Mezzanine 951-242-3593 The BorderLine 951-549-9994 Vertrauen 954-484-5020 Puget Systems 972-329-0781 The PrisonBoard :b&w: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wally Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 ...Actually I think what I am looking for is more of a terminal accessible BBS from the internet, not of the dial in type... The home page of the original link I supplied has a multipage Telnet listing. http://www.telnetbbsguide.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'm a dope, thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog Cow Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 and original ADB "short" keyboard are clicky in nature. Maybe it's just the one I have, but after some years of usage, mine went into retirement about half a decade ago. Sometimes I like to take it out and use it thinking I'll have some retro fun, but then I'll remember about all the broken and sticky (endlessly repeating) keys it has. No fun! Again, I don't know if that's a common problem or not, for older ones to have bad keys. I have 2 or 3 Apple Keyboard II's which are just OK, though. The AppleDesign keyboard (late 1990s ADB extended model) follows the same logic as the Keyboard II in terms of country of origin and feel. I used to have two, then I gave one away... but now I have two again. Anyway, there seem to be two different types, I noticed. One is curved on the bottom, around where the ADB port is, and the other one (which I think is the one I gave away) had a V-shaped plastic instead of round. Anyone have these or know about the difference? Also: beware the ADB Mouse II, which is round. I have about 5 or 6 of these things, and only 2 or so are good. Why? The clicker goes bad! The original blocky ADB Mouse: much more reliable, though it is a nice bonus to have a heavy gray mouse ball, not the light-weight black one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
68kMLA Supporter elbaroni Posted January 28, 2009 68kMLA Supporter Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Elysiom, if you're after early mac marketing material, go to www.macmothership.com - they've got lots and lots and lots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks, lots to look at there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elysiom Posted January 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have a IIgs keyboard on the way, if its crap I'll just have to go searching for the fullsize Not very high expectations? There are some who hold it in high regard, the best keyboard ever made! I actually ended up liking it, small clicky keyboard.. works for me Did these IIgs keyboards actually come packed in with the machine? I ask this because they have a soft power on button for your bigger Macs... I didn't think the IIgs could soft power on? Seems more like just one of the many options you could select when purchasing just the machine it self (mentioned above) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dog Cow Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I didn't think the IIgs could soft power on? They can't. That button is used to do a soft reset. Press Command-Control-Power Key. Edited February 2, 2009 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDW Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I specifically purchased a Sophisticated Circuits PowerKey Classic (only $35) so I could take advantage of the Power Key on my IIgs keyboard attached to my SE/30. After you are booted, pressing it again brings up the Restart/Shutdown dialog so you can do those operations too, all without touching the hardware power switch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shred Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure the SE/30 came with the original ADB Keyboard included, as LCGuy said. Many users chose to buy the "extended" keyboard so they had a separate numeric keypad etc. I recall the local University putting a heap of unused standard keyboards out to tender because their users had opted to buy extended keyboards for their SE/30s. I always used a IIGS keyboard for testing Macs on the workbench. This was for a number of reasons: 1. it had a small footprint - didn't take up make space. 2. The sales guys weren't ever tempted to "borrow" it to get a client out of a tight spot! 3. I kind of liked it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
istar1018 Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Did these IIgs keyboards actually come packed in with the machine? No. Yep, they really were included. http://vectronicsappleworld.com/ads/ads/appleiigs/iigsspecs3.jpg http://vectronicsappleworld.com/ads/ads/appleiigs/iigsspecs4.jpg Not only is the keyboard included in the specs, but page 4 shows that it was included with the IIgs part number. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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