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1.  Nice looking SE/30!

 

2.  Particularly if you have multiple Macs, consider the 5.5.  It’s tiny and can be used externally.  WIth a 90 degree adapter you can plug it into the back of your SE/30 like a little backpack, bent up snugly against the case back.  And you don’t have to worry about opening that beautiful case if you ever want to change the SD card.

 

3.  To answer your specific question, my understanding is the SE/30 can’t take advantage of the additional speed of the SCSI2SD 6.

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Thanks! I thinking printing a 3D part to use the expansion bay on the back of the case to access the sd card (https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4216602) ... 

I took some time, and work on it to make it look as new...Recap everything (Logic board, CRT Control board, PSU and Analog board), fix floppy and lubricated,  clean everything, replace fan, upgrade ROM for 32bit fix, 128mb of RAM and some retrobright! 

 

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Hopefully you haven't bought one yet, but the SE/30 and the SCSI2SD V6 are not friends; I found this out to my disadvantage. The V5.1 works perfectly, however.

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+1 for a SCSI2SD v5.1. That's what I am using in my Classic II and SE/30. I buy the one from Inertial Computing that includes an SD card. You don't need a power cable - it will be bus-powered.

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16 hours ago, Paulie said:

Hopefully you haven't bought one yet, but the SE/30 and the SCSI2SD V6 are not friends; I found this out to my disadvantage. The V5.1 works perfectly, however.

I've a v6 in an SE/30 and it's fine. Just don't turn on the SCSI2 stuff.

As for the original poster's question about speed, no, the SE/30 won't take advantage of it. The NCR 53C80 maxes out at a theoretical 1.5MB/s but in reality is about 1.2MB/s.

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I had a sinking feeling reading what @Paulie wrote about the V6 and the SE/30 since I have a SE/30 and a new V6 sitting here. Tried it out today; sure enough the 6.08 and 7.5 installers can not write to the v6 SCSI drive though it completes init OK. But I noticed when booting from a 6.08 floppy the drive appeared to be writable; I copied in the System Folder and the drive boots and works normally. Will have to try disabling anything SCSI2?

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23 hours ago, Stephen_Usher said:

ve a v6 in an SE/30 and it's fine

It seems to be incredibly hit-and-miss.  Some people here have the v6 working apparently absolutely fine, some people it doesn't work at all, and some people get weird half-broken edge cases.  There have been threads here where two people have had exactly the same settings and for one person it worked and for one person it didn't.  Personally, I suspect some kind of subtle timing issue somewhere, but I'm not competent to investigate the issue any further than having vague suspicions.  So if it's specifically for an SE/30, it's probably best to avoid the v6.

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I just got a new V6 2020 and put it a newly-recapped SE/30 and it's been pretty erratic. I confirmed SCSI2 mode isn't on, but I'm wondering if leaving the speed setting on auto is an issue. I'll try swapping my 5.1 that works in another SE/30 in and report back.

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On 7/21/2020 at 7:54 PM, Paulie said:

Hopefully you haven't bought one yet, but the SE/30 and the SCSI2SD V6 are not friends; I found this out to my disadvantage. The V5.1 works perfectly, however.

Doubling this – I've had random data corruption, random write errors. Would love to try to see if turning SCSI2 off would help, but I broke off the micro-USB connector so...

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Do these problems persist with the latest firmware? Mainly past the fixes from early this year for data corruption and booting issues?

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20 hours ago, karrots said:

Do these problems persist with the latest firmware? Mainly past the fixes from early this year for data corruption and booting issues?

I know @Paulie's at least was a very recent one, though I don't know the exact firmware version.  It might also be worth noting that, if I remember correctly, the SCSI controller in the SE/30 isn't listed as a supported controller for the v6, but is for the v5

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But that list is just a list of devices people have reported success. Not necessarily a definitive no it won't work it wasn't designed for it type list 

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Yes.  And in some ways the absence of a Mac that people really want to install scsi2sds in from that list is reasonably telling.  I mean, if you want to go and install a v6 in an SE/30, go for it.  But I wouldn't.

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It’s not just the SE/30. I had endless corruption issues with a v6 and my PowerTower Pro. In fact, it was so persistent    that I just ditched it and installed a compact flash adapter to hook up to its ATA card. There have been a few known firmware issues to cause this. I hope it’s rectified, because I’m thinking of installing it in my Quadra 660av next.

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8 hours ago, LaPorta said:

I hope it’s rectified, because I’m thinking of installing it in my Quadra 660av next. 

parenthetically, I have a v6 in my Q950 and it has behaved perfectly for probably a year and a half now.

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12 hours ago, cheesestraws said:

I know @Paulie's at least was a very recent one, though I don't know the exact firmware version.  It might also be worth noting that, if I remember correctly, the SCSI controller in the SE/30 isn't listed as a supported controller for the v6, but is for the v5

Mine's a RevF, not the latest, but does use the same 6.3.1 firmware (22nd April 2020) as the '2020' version. Never turned on SCSI2.

On 7/23/2020 at 1:25 AM, aeberbach said:

I had a sinking feeling reading what @Paulie wrote about the V6 and the SE/30 since I have a SE/30 and a new V6 sitting here. Tried it out today; sure enough the 6.08 and 7.5 installers can not write to the v6 SCSI drive though it completes init OK. But I noticed when booting from a 6.08 floppy the drive appeared to be writable; I copied in the System Folder and the drive boots and works normally. Will have to try disabling anything SCSI2?

Mine would crash out when doing installs (always at the 'writing' stage), and sometimes doing file copies. I could also get a working system through copying the System Folder, but it's not an ideal solution.

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Mine is still failing. My best is disk 3 of 7.5.3 installer so far :-(


And then when it reboots after that I get the four chimes of death and 0000000F 00000066... Have to start again from floppy.

 

I wish I had a 6.0.8 boot .dsk with Lido on it, I would like to rule out the 7.5.3 patched HD tool as source of problems. I have one Floppy Emu, no functioning FD drive, no two-way SCSI cables.

 

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I need so guidance. I just got my 5.1 and I can not get the drive Initialized  I have a 32 ROM Fix from GGLAB and I can not boot to a Patch 7.5.3 HD tools to get it working...Any workaround to be able to get the drive recognized on 7.1 or 7.0 

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9 hours ago, MegaImg said:

7.5.3

There is an issue booting 7.5 on the SE/30 with a 32-bit ROM, I believe.  You will probably have better luck with a 7.1 Disk Tools image with a patched HD SC setup.  There is almost certainly one available on the Internet, but I think I have one here somewhere if you can't find it.

 

Some people don't have any luck with the patched HD SC Setup at all, and in that case use Lido to format the disc.  I've never had a problem personally, so I can't say why that happens.

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I personally use this guy's image. Then either copy the update files in using HFS tools on Linux and boot on my Mac Classic or mount the image in Basilisk II per his instructions, update the minimal system to system 7.5.5, then write the image to SD card.

 

Using Basilisk II the install stakes only a few seconds.

 

He also has various tools in the image like Lido.

 

https://www.savagetaylor.com/downloads/

 

 

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On 7/24/2020 at 2:31 AM, Paulie said:

Mine's a RevF, not the latest, but does use the same 6.3.1 firmware (22nd April 2020) as the '2020' version. Never turned on SCSI2.

Mine would crash out when doing installs (always at the 'writing' stage), and sometimes doing file copies. I could also get a working system through copying the System Folder, but it's not an ideal solution.

I had similar issues on a Classic II the system 7.5.3 install would hang building the system file. I ended up doing all updates with Basilisk II then writing the image to the SCSI2SD. After that all is well. 

 

Base image with system 7.5 or 6.0.8 minimal system here https://www.savagetaylor.com/downloads/

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Hey I think this is fixed!

 

Solution: the patched Apple 7.5.3 disk setup tool that is commonly available does not correctly create a volume, it just appears to - when the installer tries to write to that volume it hits whatever didn't get fixed by the patch and it fails.

 

Fix: Lido does correctly create the volume and after that SCSI2HD V6 (2020c, 6.3.1 firmware) works with no special settings on a SE/30.

 

I was unable to try the Floppy Emu hard drive image since that is not supported on a SE/30. I suspected Lido might work better than the patched tool but I could not find a system disk image with Lido on it. Eventually I went back to the spinning HD with 6.0.8 on it, took the 6.0.8 .dsk image from BMOW that has the patched 7.5.3 HD tool, trashed it, and put Lido on the disk image instead. After reinstalling the SCSI2HD and booting from the altered .dsk Lido performed a partition/format.

 

6.0.8 install was initially a failure. The HD operations seemed fine but the Emu could not recognise one of the floppy images - I'll try again after another download.

 

7 was successful. I am now going through 7.5.3 on another partition of the same SCSI unit and everything appears to be working. Fingers crossed!

 

I'm feeling confident enough to solder a LED header on the SCSI2HD board and to put the back of the case back :) If you are having trouble with the V6 at all, be sure to try Lido and not the Apple patched HD tool.

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