Concerning the editing post policy
Posted 29 April 2009 - 03:52 PM
You are displaying a monochrome appreciation of an interchange that better deserves at least an eight-greys appreciation, if not 256. Life, including the liberty to disagree with the opinions of others, is not solely about antagonism, and you do yourself, your fellow-creatures and these forums no favour by seeing it as being so. Any expressed opinion depends on the quality of the argument that supports it. I disagreed with Dan 7.1's interjection into a reasoned discussion, and wrote so. He disagreed with me, as he is at complete liberty to do, but advanced no cogent reasons for his original post or his response. I didn't call him names, and he has not resorted to such infantilism, either. Does the digital generation really need a Smilie for 'reasoned disagreement' so that onlookers can adjust their emotional states?
Always keep this mental note.
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You also might consider that preaching on the Web is as unproductive as what you characterize, rather unthinkingly, as fighting. There is enough preaching—of all kinds of gospels—surrounding daily life in modern Western society that more is not needed in a supposedly technological Forum such as this.
Further, your reference to those with physical disabilities as 'retarded' may not have been in the best taste, either.
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Posted 29 April 2009 - 04:12 PM
Clearly you are reading some other forum. The above posts are paragraphs of all this ridiculous hooplah about privileges and latin and all kinds of other things. If you want to edit posts past the 1 hour point, just say "I think its wrong we can't edit posts past the 1 hour point" and leave it at that, it does not require so much defining of freedoms and rights.
Perhaps if you didn't use so many invectives, you would have more success in carrying on a civil discussion. At the same time you profess to be better than the posters above for not caring about the edit policy, you insult, belittle, and deride them. For someone who purports not to be acting childish about the edit policy, you sure show a lot of emotion about the topic and have a strange way of showing it.
I could sum up your point in one sentence: "It's an internet forum; get over it." I disagree with you about pretty much everything you've posted. Nobody is claiming an unalienable right to edit posts. People are thoughtfully expressing their opinions and reasons why users should be allowed to edit their posts, and the admins (Tom in particular) are remaining silent.
You, on the other hand, are issuing insults. Why should anyone take the time to debate with you when all they will receive in return is abuse?
To be clear, I think we SHOULD be able to edit posts beyond 1 hour, but its one of those rules which does not inhibit the user in any real significant way. If a situation arose where it became a real, true issue preventing people from doing what they want to do on this forum, then yes it would be time to make a stink. But going about it like this is the exact wrong way to do it.
I don't understand how the depth of intelligence being put into this post really matters all that much. Its a simple issue, some people find the inability to edit posts beyond 1 hour such a grievance that they must make these threads and others (such as myself) yell and wave around arms at the preposterousness of it all.
Some definitive reply from the administration would be appreciated, but I really do not think it is A: going to change and B: all that big of a deal.
And you are right, I do put alot of emotion into a debate but I could be debating the relative circumference of earth worms and it would probably turn out the same. I can be loud and obnoxious, and thats just sort of how it is. I don't spend tons of time putting these posts together so whatever is in it is just whats on my mind at the moment. It doesn't really garner much attention from me.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:11 PM
They're just going to wait for us to stop talking about, so we will "forget" and then nothing more will ever happen.
In any case, the silence from the administrator/s on this topic is deafening
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Posted 29 April 2009 - 05:36 PM
The first Law of Thermodynamics is that you don't talk about thermodynamics.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 07:22 PM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 09:59 PM
What's wrong with amending a for sale thread with a new post at the bottom? That way everything is in very obvious chronological order. As for changing ideas or fixing typos or whatever you guys could do what I do - type it into a text editor, read over it to make sure it says what you want and how to want it said, then copy/paste. If you absolutely have to edit a post an hour an one second later then I guess all I can do is shrug and say too bad.
New users to the thread will read the first post and then send a PM without reading the other posts. This wastes everyone's time. Even if they read all the amendment posts, then they have still wasted their own time. If we could just edit the top post, nobody's time is wasted, and the thread is kept a lot cleaner.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 10:13 PM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 10:44 PM
Nobody is debating the indisputable fact that you guys are in control of the rules and regulations of the forum.
I think what we are generally dissatisfied with is the fact you are running the forum like a store/restaurant instead of like a country.
I think it's more or less insulting to the membership here. The entire attitude that the moderators have taken - the whole "my way or the highway" mindset, it doesn't seem befitting of the moderators of a Macintosh forum.
I don't understand why you guys have to operate this way when you could just as easily have chosen to operate with a little more transparency. This is actually not a very large forum. There are maybe 100 frequent posters here and they have contributed over 80% of the posts.
When you ask for members' opinions, when you involve them in the process, when you consider their opinions, you make the members feel more engaged and ultimately satisfied when the final decision is actually made, even if the decision is against what some members may have lobbied for.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 10:53 PM
if you all had typed in caps, at least it would have been amusing to read.
as it stands you all sound like spoiled children. this is a forum hosted and paid for by a single individual, which is none of you. as such, they can do whatever they please with the forum. if you are so offended by this move (and christ you need to find better things to whine about), then leave and find another forum. the amount of bitching over this has reached just simply ridiculous proportions.
I'll gladly host and pay for the entire forum. I even offered to host the forum once but was turned down.
Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:01 PM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:09 PM
Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:11 PM
My question is how anything would get done if we were to run the forum like a country. It's specifically because the forum is so small that it's a lot oeasier for everybody involve to moderate in somewhat of a reactionary style. We've been burned too many times by retroactive editing in certain threads, so we disabled it.
We understand the inconvenience that this brings everybody in either needing to have a moderator amend posts, in addition to the massive amounts of energy it must consume to be so negative about the whole arrangement, plus the few additional moments it will take somebody to read a thread in its entirety before sending a PM, as well as the time it will take to reply to one or two additional PMs in any given day, in response to a trading post thread.
You belittle my arguments against retroactive editing in regards to trading post threads, and then claim that if the moderators were to show some transparency and interest in what the members had to say, that the entire forum would come grinding to a halt.
Again, it's a small forum - how hard would it be for one of you to have made a simple poll:
"Should we restrict post editing to 60 minutes after the post is made? Some people have abused this liberty."
Let the poll sit for a couple of days, check the results, and then consider that in your decision. It's not as if in those few days complete anarchy will take hold because perhaps up to one post might be edited retroactively in a malicious way.
I'm also curious if you can reference a thread where malicious abuse of editing has actually taken place.
In terms of community input: that's what the General News & Stuff forum is for. Threads like this, which on other forums would probably have netted you some disciplinary action, and been outright deleted, not simply locked and left for public review. (in reference to the previous thread.)
Now you know why I don't post on very many forums as it is. If 68kMLA continues in this way, it too will probably fall off the short list.
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