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Hi...
 
I saw this over priced Color Classic for sale on ebay:
 
 
The clever seller had installed a 10.4 inch Matsushita LCD screen.  I found the screen for sale for under $100:
 
 
It will do 1024 X 768.  After I started looking around, I found many more 10.4 inch screens of various costs.
 
I do love the crisp, clear Sony CRT in my Color Classic.  I have a LC 575 logic board in my CC, and made the mod to do 640 X 480. 
 
I now have enough parts to make a second CC.  I was thinking about a mod that would use a LCD screen.  The ebay seller claims that the screen will give you a 38% larger viewing area (see the pictures on his ebay listing).  I would like a mod that would let me run up to 9.22. 
 
Has anyone here used a LCD screen like this in a Color Classic?  What did you use for a motherboard?
 
mraroid 

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As an aside, I don’t care if that guy installed a jet engine in there, he must be smoking crack if he thinks he can get $2,300 for that.

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6 minutes ago, LaPorta said:

As an aside, I don’t care if that guy installed a jet engine in there, he must be smoking crack if he thinks he can get $2,300 for that.

So true LaPorta.....

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 I have mixed opinions about this "Color Classic". For me, the heart of a Mac, that which makes it a particular Mac, is the motherboard. Replace it with another motherboard and you have, at heart, another Mac.

To be sure, the case and, especially in this case, the monitor are a part of what make it a Colour Classic. It looks good, it is practical but it is neither fish nor flesh. But then, I also am happy to use CF cards to boot my PM G3 MT and I am happy to use accelerators to make the Mac much faster. Hmmmm.

 

 This fellow (gal?) has put a lot of work into renovating old Macs. I do like what he has done with his other Macs but he is not aiming at us. I don't really know whom his target sellers are. Investors want something as mint as possible. Those who used them in years gone by probably already have one by now and, while these people could afford one of his macs, I'm not sure as to whether you'd spend a couple of thousand on upgraded nostalgia.

 

 Is the seller a member of these forums? The WiFi-ethernet leads me to suspect that he/she may be.

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2 minutes ago, ArmorAlley said:

 

 

 Is the seller a member of these forums? The WiFi-ethernet leads me to suspect that he/she may be.

Come out, come out, who ever you are....  Tell us about your mod.

mraroid

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What bothers me the most is the fact that the screen opening was enlarged. That just completely throws the look of it off. Doesn’t even look like a CC at first glance to me. 

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For me, the CC was kind of an “acquired taste” (or “acquired look” I guess). I didn’t initially like the look when I first saw one, but it grew and grew on me to the point where I love it. Really would like to get one someday (with original CRT!).

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My main issue with the look of this mod is that the bevel is too small. If they had gotten a monitor with the original screen size, it would probably look just fine.

 

Is there a similar LCD monitor anyone here would recommend that would fit optimally within the bounds of a regular 9" compact mac? I've got a nice new Macintosh Plus case that I intend to use for this purpose...

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Precious Mac hardware tampering aside, I reckon it looks quite good, and knowing the CC case it can crack around the inside bezel, so who knows perhaps it was destined for the upgrade?

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3 hours ago, itsvince725 said:

I'd like to mod my CC for 640x480 but I'll pass on this particular mod...

itsvince725....

 

I did that mod.  Folks kept telling me that the text would be too small.  But it was not an issue for me.  The screen looked as perfect as it could be. So clear and chrisp....

 

mraroid

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1 hour ago, werdna said:

 

 

Is there a similar LCD monitor anyone here would recommend that would fit optimally within the bounds of a regular 9" compact mac?

I have seen 9 inch LCD monitors used in cars.  The ones on ebay have controls connectd to them, but you might be able to find a moitor only...  Here is an example:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/9-TFT-LCD-2-CH-Video-Input-DVD-VCR-Car-Rear-View-Headrest-Monitor-800x480-HD-/283203218500?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l4275.c10#viTabs_0

 

mraroid

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Sorry I called your mod an abomination. The panel you linked is 800x480, a wider aspect ratio than required for a Classic Mac. Gotta stick close to a 4:3 aspect ratio like 640c480, 800x600 or 1024x768 as you did for it to work. 9" diagonal at 800x480/16:9 may be almost as wide as the front bezel.

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Remind me never to share with y'all what the backside of my Quadra 700 case looks like. :)

 

What does that, to borrow a modern Apple-ism, "all screen" Color Classic look like when it's turned on? The higher res should really help some latter day 68k software run nicely on it.

 

EDIT: It would help if I looked at the eBay listing. Ok, it's kind of like a 603e PowerBook, but with white bezels. Maybe not wholly surprising.

Edited by nglevin
I should click other people's links, too.

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On 11/24/2018 at 3:14 AM, mraroid said:
Has anyone here used a LCD screen like this in a Color Classic?  What did you use for a motherboard?

Here in Japan, the cool kids are taking the CC (and sometimes other compacts) and replacing the guts with modern hardware. At an average of about $500, these don't cost half as much as this guy's thing, though. The cheapest of these basically just glue iPads to the display opening, but there are some decent ones that fit a hi-res LCD in with a Mac Mini (attached). It doesn't look too terrible but it's still not my cup o' tea.

 

If you want to keep the CRT and do a Takky mod, the best logic board you'll get is from a 55/6500. They're stock 225 ~ 300MHz 603ev chips, upgradeable with a L2-style G3 card. Even without the G3 upgrade they're decent and will do up to Mac OS 9.2, but OS X capability is questionable at best (and would be kind of crap anyway with their 128MB RAM ceiling and 2MB VRAM video system).

19 minutes ago, nglevin said:

Remind me never to share with y'all what the backside of my Quadra 700 case looks like. :)

It seems a number of people have dropped a 7100 board into their Quadra 700/IIci/IIcx chassis after carving up the I/O panel to fit it; is that what you've done? One of these has been sitting for ages on a shelf in a recycle shop here. I have no interest in it and it's well overpriced so it will probably continue to sit for the forseeable future.

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Nah, "merely" put a Quadra 800 logic board in there and took a kitchen knife to carve out an opening for the third slot. It was a long time ago and before I knew better.

 

The ports match so, only the region where a rudimentary third slot now stands shows the abuse.

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On 11/24/2018 at 3:14 AM, mraroid said:
I saw this over priced Color Classic for sale on ebay:

You want overpriced? FEAST YOUR EYES: This guy wants $7500 for a 250MHz Takky. I've seen this auction before and am not sure if it's the same machine being pushed or if one or more have been sold. Either way it's bananas. I have one with similar specs (250MHz, 128MB, 120GB ATA HD) that I'd sell for less than half that if anybody wanted it. Plus, unlike the one listed in that "exclusive premium auction" the floppy drive is guaranteed to work in mine.

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9 hours ago, Trash80toHP_Mini said:

Sorry I called your mod an abomination. The panel you linked is 800x480, a wider aspect ratio than required for a Classic Mac. Gotta stick close to a 4:3 aspect ratio like 640c480, 800x600 or 1024x768 as you did for it to work. 9" diagonal at 800x480/16:9 may be almost as wide as the front bezel.

No worries.  It was not my mod.  I found that CC on ebay listed for over 2 thousand dollars and had to post it.  I have original Sony CRTs in both my CCs.

But I am interested in that technology and want to learn about it.  BTW, the main TV in my home is the last HD CRT that Sony made.  It will do 1920 X 1080 and not even a OLED screen can match it. 

mraroid

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On 11/23/2018 at 11:35 AM, Daniël Oosterhuis said:

What an ugly, ugly mod. The Trinitrons in these systems are great, no need to ruin that with crappy LCDs. I don't think any modern tech, high quality panels are made in 4:3 anymore anyways.

The display panel used in the iPad 2 should be pretty good for a project like this, and was 1024*768.

 

Personally, I'd never do that type of mod to a good condition system (electronically working or not).  However, I have a CC that took one hell of a beating during shipping, causing several stress cracks, and with a CRT that has some bad hot spots from magnetic exposure.  On that particular unit I wouldn't be opposed to doing a mod similar to this.

 

But wow, that price.  For the asking price, I'd expect that microphone issue to be fixed and integrated internally, along with the wifi solution being internal.  Otherwise the work looks decent.  Idk about asking price decent, but decent.  Everything is secured down and the keyboard soft-power still works despite a modern PSU.  If I built the same thing, but with the notes I mentioned fixed, then I'd probably expect offers around the 800-1200 range.  However, I also value my time highly and I expect that took many hours to build.  So I guess I wouldn't do something like this to sell, but rather just for myself as a keeper as I'd probably want more money than it is worth on the eBay market.

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PowerCC/TAKKY should be done with a 6360/6400/5400 Alchemy architecture logic board. Check the mess the 50MHz Gazelle architecture incompatibilities introduced with FireWire and USB PCI bridges that the TAM gang goes through. ::)  GazelleCC, just say no!

 

Alchemy maxes at 800x600, so LCD Portrait PowerCC/CD TAKKY. [}:)]

 

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IIRC I've seen an 800x600 LCD on eBay that would work. Any other res from a PCI vidcard for an availabel right sized LCD might work, depends on the orientation. MacPortrait only works with onboard video. Portrait could keep side openings stock width, droopy drawers work for me. Grafting the low end of a 580 would simplify things immensely, stereo feets and all. One of the things I hate about the CC is the Espresso curve infestation between the feets for the mono speaker.

 

edit: Painting the hybrid's plastics, joints and Bondo to match a nice USB KBD/Mouse combo in black goes without saying.

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3 hours ago, Trash80toHP_Mini said:

One of the things I hate about the CC is the Espresso curve infestation between the feets for the mono speaker.

That little indent/divot thing in the front of the CC is either an air intake or useless design flair, not a speaker grille. You'd think it would be but no, the speaker lives behind the floppy drive, firing out of the unit's left side.

 

Unless you're also replacing the analog board with a higher output one from a 5XX series machine, you really want to keep a Takky's power draw on the low side. For me that means a 6500 board with max RAM, a USB card, maybe a CS II Ethernet card, and a low-power hard drive or flash drive. No G3 upgrade, no crazy multi-function PCI cards. 

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Could be for cooling then, forgot about the holes in the side. Like I said CC's not my thing. CRT is good at 640x48 for a TAKKY Video Input Card sans

tuner, but dreck for anything at all at standard res my book.

 

This thread's about LCD in CC anyway, so A/B not required, lots of cubic available to put an ATX PSU where the CRT used to be. [}:)]

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On 11/23/2018 at 10:14 AM, mraroid said:

It will do 1024 X 768.  After I started looking around, I found many more 10.4 inch screens of various costs.

This would probably be the ultimate monitor for a Color Classic-based case mod. It's 9.7 inches instead of 10.4, which makes me wonder if it would fit in the existing bezel opening without trimming. The downside is it's DisplayPort only and requires a fairly modern video card to drive, so it'd only be a practical choice for a mod that utilizes modern guts and only runs "Classic" software in emulation.

Personally I don't think the trimmed bezel looks that bad. Largely the reason why I think that is because the CC is a kind of weird, awkward thing anyway... but, yeah, I don't think it really makes it look any worse.

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