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Hi guys  :)

 

I'm finally starting my own "conquests" topic. I'll regularly update it, by posting one Mac after the other. And also try to keep the following posts shorter than this one.

 

First of all, I'm Nicolas, 18, from Switzerland. Macintosh trash-picker and computer hoarder since 2009.  :p

I should also mention that I'm not really a focused collector: I'm rarely looking for particular models, I rather save Macs that need to be saved, if possible. That's why most of mine are trash picked, saved or at least indirectly saved. But of course, I also have my own "wish list".

About collecting old Macs: I have a lot(!) to learn, as this is not always my main hobby. Sometimes I'm connected here everyday, but it already happened that I didn't think of Macs for about a year... Often collecting seems more of a pointless obsession than a hobby to me. I fairly often struggle with finding an "use" in such a collection. But is there one? Well there were already some discussions about this question here...

 

Where did this start?

In 2000, my parents bought their first computer, a 1999 iMac DV SE 400 Mhz Graphite. I remember waiting in the car until they had finally bought this Mac, and later, I learned using a computer on this iMac, and it was actually my first computer. I also remember playing Bugdom and Amerzone (still got this game), and also have other nice memories of this iMac.

More or less at the same time, my father's cousin bought a DV 400 Mhz Lime which he still has (and the box too, if I'm not mistaken). I'll maybe get that one in the future. Of course it will also appear here.

Our DV SE was upgraded through the years: 10.4.11, max. 1 GB RAM, max. 120 GB HDD. Actually, its original 13 GB HDD replaced the 10 GB one in the previously mentioned "Lime". Amazing that this was done back then to get 3 more Gigabytes! :O 

Today, it's still running fine. We kept the manuals and documents, the power cable, the keyboard, the mouse (which needs another cable in order to work), but not its original box.

When it was replaced by our 2009 iMac (which I'm using right now, with the Logitech mouse that rather quickly replaced our G3's original puck mouse, by the way), I got it. Slow, but still working perfectly. BUT it has some scars... without of which I would probably never have started collecting Macs: One day, its upper case was cracked. My father then opened it and "repaired" it with some glue. I must say that I'm still surprised that he actually did this; he repairs basically everything from cars to laundry machines etc., but this was probably the first and last time I saw him working on a computer.  :)

 

We then bought another Graphite for the upper case, I think in 2009. Sadly I was forced to throw away its box, it was from a smoker's home, but still I regret it. But back to the iMac: I tested it and realized that it had a white power button light, another CPU speed (600 Mhz) and a different keyboard... and realized that there were many different models, and colours! Needless to say that I couldn't bring myself to disassemble this working iMac. 

 

And that's how it all started, and how the iMac G3 became my favourite Mac. I have 15 of these now and will try to own  at least every color... Also looking for at least one other Snow, any 700 Mhz model and a Bondi Blue (even if I definitely prefer the Slot Loaders).

 

Unfortunately, that's the only (iPad) pic of this DV SE 400 Mhz I got at the moment, as iPhoto is driving me mad at the moment... 

 

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Cheers

Nicolas

 

 

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The iMac G3s are a great little machine. Just got to up the RAM and a larger HD or Solid State Drive (SSD); with these you can use a CF with a IDE Adapter nicely.

 

The Video Circuitry is their weak point. Often like their All-In-One older cousins - they suffer from cracked solder joints. You would need to desolder the joint, clean them up with some acetone, put of a bit of flux and solder with fresh solder.

 

Hopefully you can ask around here for details. I think Uniserver has a collection of them and has more information on weak points and how to fix them.

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Indeed, this seems to be a common problem. :-/ But luckily most of mine are working.

 

"Hopefully you can ask around here for details. "

That's what I'm trying to do, but it doesn't seem that many users did such repairs...

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We then bought another Graphite for the upper case, I think in 2009. Sadly I was forced to throw away its box, it was from a smoker's home, but still I regret it. But back to the iMac: I tested it and realized that it had a white power button light, another CPU speed (600 Mhz) and a different keyboard... and realized that there were many different models, and colours! Needless to say that I couldn't bring myself to disassemble this working iMac. 

 

 

And here this second G3. :)

 

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By the way, I also got its original keyboard, a 2-button mouse which looks a bit like the original Pro Mouse and also its (white) power cable.

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Well now it's already getting hard for the order in which I got them... But I think these were the next ones:

Our school had iMac G3 333 Mhz Tray Loading, and a teacher's iMac G3 500 Mhz Graphite. As the last one was Nr.28, it makes me think that this was the total amount of iMacs, which is possible. In 2009-2010 these were still used in the school's basement to teach (blind) typing to all students. As they were getting quite old, they were retired and we were allowed to take 1 – as long as there were still available ones, of course.

 

One of the first to be given away was a Lime 333, "Nr. 21." A friend got it but later his father wanted him go get rid of it, so I saved it. But he had messed up the OS and I only very recently finally cloned the hard drive of another iMac on 21's HD.

 

 

 

This other iMac was a Grape 333 ("Nr. 27") which my sister got.

 

And I was able to get "Nr. 28", the teacher's Slot Loading which probably has not seen that many hours. Beautiful case, but it was without any accessories. My 2 Tray Loaders came with everything – also old software, including Nanosaur. :)

The last remaining one was a Tangerine with dead HD, but I just asked and it was also given away. No idea what happened with all of these iMacs besides of mine...

 

But at least 3 of them are still alive. :)

 

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/125700792@N08/21744493373/in/dateposted-public/

 

"iMac G3 ("Slot Loading") DV SE 400 Mhz Graphite (1999) – First computer (bought new) and first Mac

iMac G3 ("Tray Loading") 333 Mhz Grape (1998) – Ex-CO de Domdidier Nr.27

iMac G3 ("Tray Loading") 333 Mhz Lime (1998) – Ex-CO de Domdidier Nr.21

iMac Late 2009, 27-inch, 4x2.66 GHz Core i5 (iMac11,1), 1TB Hard Drive, 16 GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4850 – My main computer, where all the Flickr pics are stored and wait to be uploaded. :)

 

All with their original mouse, keyboard and power cable.

Just cloned the 27s HDD to the 21 with my B&W G3 Tower 300 Mhz."

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So now I must be careful with keeping the right order...

One day in my village, in the e-waste container, I saw something familiar: An iMac G3 Slot Loading. It turned out to be a Graphite 500. For a long time, this and the previous "Nr.28" were my only identical Macs. Its case was heavily scratched, battered, and has some gross duct tape rests, and it had a broken flip foot. The drive didn't want to eject anymore, and it wouldn't boot. A friend *somehow* managed to fix it, but at this was done several years ago and because its twin had similar problems at the same time, I really don't remember what the problem was and how it was fixed... And this friend probably hasn't touched such an old computer since then, and has probably forgotten some of his precious know-how by now :-/ I think we had to use FireWire, but anyway, it eventually booted to an italian OS 9.2.2.

Probably its owner freaked out when it wouldn't eject and pulled the power cord out which caused the OS to crash. After which he decided to get rid of it. The kind of DVD which was stuck inside and removed with pliers explains this theory.

 

Apart from the mentioned problems, it's in working condition and I feel a bit sad at the idea of gutting it... I've yet to decide what to do with it, but maybe find a broken G3 with good case and do a swap. :) By now I have another Graphite with CRT problems, so maybe...

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Nice!! I always craved a Fruit Mac for the pretty colors (never owned one myself in their heyday because by that time I had mostly moved to using laptops). Just a few weeks ago, I scored a lucky find on craigslist: a school was recycling its old working (but hd-wiped) fruit macs for $25 each, way cheaper than ebay. I ended up with six different colors, which I'm thrilled with.

 

Now, of course, I'm scouting ebay for the missing grape and strawberry colors! (My colors: lime, tangerine, blueberry; original bondi blue; indigo and ruby. All with original color keyboards and mice except the ruby.) But I don't have much money right now, so more expensive finds will have to wait.

 

I'm hoping to get some pictures up of my rapidly growing collection sometime soon.

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iMacs are great! I have many fond memories of my Tray Loader and Slot Loader from back when I used them regularly.

 

The Tray Loader has aged fairly well, but the SL has not. It basically needs to be rebuilt with all new plastics, as they have yellowed a bit, and it doesn't look good with the Tangerine.

 

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Thanks guys :)

 

Tanaquil, did you get Tray or Slot Loaders at this school?

My colours:

No Bondi

No Strawberry

No Tangerine

Lime (both tray and slot)

Grape (tray)

Blueberry (slot)

5x Graphite

Snow

2x Ruby

Indigo

No Sage

Flower Power

Blue Dalmatian

 

I'd like a Bondi even if I prefer the Slot Loaders (yeah they're more fragile). Also any 700 Mhz, even if it had to be Graphite! And all missing colours, especially Sage! Uncommon here!

 

CC_333 My favourites are probably the early 5 flavours Slot Loaders, I especially want a Tangerine too! :D

Edited by XBHS1997

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So for Christmas 2009 or 2010, my father got us 3 more iMacs. Probably he was soon hoping that I'd once get bored of them and get rid of them.... never. :)

"Us" means my sister and me, but I consider all these 3 as mine as she couldn't really care less about old Macs, and we never decided which one is whose...

 

These were:

– 350 Mhz Blueberry

– 400 Mhz DV Indigo

– 450 Mhz DV+ Ruby

 

I don't really know which one came with which accessories.... I also have some spare ones by now.

Here some pics of the Blueberry: https://www.flickr.com/photos/125700792@N08/albums/72157647258620862

That's probably my favourite one of these 3. I'm not so fond of Indigo.

The Blueberry in its cupboard. The 2 others already appeared here. In case I mixed up the 2 Rubys, here is the other one I've not mentioned yet. :)

 

Nicolas

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They have the usual 3.6v batteries. I personnally never saw a leaked one. Maybe because they're not that old yet? I changed the PRAM battery 3 times in TL. Needs more disassembly (the board/drives carrier needs to be removed) but I prefer it. And over 10 times in SL. The first time I did it, I removed the bottom cover. I must admit, especially it it was never opened before, I don't like doing this. I'm quite paranoiac about breaking old plastics.... The 2 latches at the front can break. Not tragic as the screws are enough to assemble it tightly, but well.... Over 10 times I changed the PRAM through the bottom "door" (access to the RAM and Airport card slots). I remove the door after opening it in order to get more space (I have quite large hands...). A bit tricky to do, but not impossible. And the easiest would be to remove this bottom cover. :)

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That is a really cool collection of colors.

 

Looks like mine are a mix of tray and slot - from what I can tell, all three fruit colors are tray but the bondi blue one (? unless I have bondi and blueberry mixed up?) and the ruby/indigo (a later model) are slot. I'm pretty sure they are a mix of speeds as well, but I haven't fired all of them up yet to test. So much keeping me busy at work right now.

 

If I can get all the colors I like (I'm meh on the graphite, snow and sage) I think I'll be able to stop collecting without getting one of every speed and CD loading style, but who knows where obsession can lead...

 

I think the Ruby is the prettiest of the lot that I have, even though it's in the worst shape (runs well, but has a bit of a crack in the monitor bezel and is missing the matching accessories).

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Incidentally, is there a way to tell what the color is when you have colors that are easily confused? Serial number or gestalt or something? (I'm thinking of the bondi and the blueberry.) I really need to find the time to fire each computer up, load some OSs and check out their stats.

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Not hard. :) Here are the colours. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3#/media/File%3AIMac_G3_flavors.jpg

The first ones, Rev. A and B (233) are only Bondi! No others! Bondi is darker than the later Blueberry!

Then came Rev. C 266 and D 333 in the 5 colours. Bondi had disappeared.

 

These 5 colours were kept for the first SL as 350 (only Blueberry) and 400 (all the 5; Blueberry, Lime, Grape, Tangerine, Strawberry). The DV SE 400 special edition was the first and only Graphite back then. Graphite is not really a colour, it's dark and very translucide at the same time. :p Can't really mix it up with Grape which is a lot more "intense".

All of these with matching colour (puck) mice and keyboards. And green power cables. The TL had a bit different ones, the plug has some grooves. Careful, a smooth surfaced (talking about the Graphite part) Graphite puck mouse comes from a Graphite Power Mac G4 and not a Graphite iMac DV SE 400 as far as I can tell.

 

Now getting harder for me: they were replaced by Indigo (the most "blue" of all blue-ish colours), Ruby and Sage (a lot darker than Lime), Snow and they kept Graphite.

The 350 was always Indigo

The 400 (DV) Indigo or Ruby

The 450 (DV+) Indigo, Ruby or Sage

The 500 (DV SE) Snow or Graphite

 

These new models (Summer 2000) came with the clear Pro Keyboard (without power button, larger) and the Pro Mouse.

 

The later Early 2001 kept Indigo but dropped Ruby and Sage. Indigo as base model (now 400) or 500. 500 was also available in Blue Dalmatian and Flower Power, two new and not always well-appreciated but now quite uncommon and collectible patterns which share white as well as clear case parts with the Snow. The 600 also existed with these two patterns as well as Graphite.

 

The last gen, Summer 2001, existed in Indigo and Snow as 500. The 600 as well as the 700 came in Graphite and Snow.

I think this last generation had a white power light LED as well as a white half-translucide power cable. As my Graphite 600 has it but my Flower Power hasn't, it seems logical to me...

 

I hope everything is correct.... I didn't talk about technical changes and details by purpose. And I must admit, the last generations are quite confusing to me...

Hope this helps. If there are errors, please correct them! :)

Edited by XBHS1997

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I really need to find the time to fire each computer up, load some OSs and check out their stats.

I know the struggle. :D I once started making printed spec lists for every of them... Now I take pics (System and sticker on the case) and put them in folders, one folder for each Mac.

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(Weirdly, though, to my eyes in the picture you linked, Blueberry looks much darker than Bondi. My family tease me all the time because I can't tell the difference between blue, teal and green.)

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Tanaquil: Do you have tendencies toward color blindness in your family? I know someone who is completely color blind, and he can only discern primary colors (bright red, for instance) accurately.

 

However, I'd imagine it could be somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to tell apart the Bondi blue and Blueberry iMacs if the lighting is a certain way (many photographs, for example, don't look quite right; Bondi looks quite a bit darker than Blueberry in person I've found).

 

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Tanaquil: Do you have tendencies toward color blindness in your family? I know someone who is completely color blind, and he can only discern primary colors (bright red, for instance) accurately.

 

Haha, not that I know of, but I certainly seem to have trouble with light blue and teal. (I can definitely tell the difference with lime.)

 

I will test my ambiguous-blues and report back!

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I manage to fire up a few more machines and discovered the following. (It appears the guy who sold them to me was nearly as clueless and color blind as I am... not that I'm complaining.)

 

It turns out that I don't have a bondi blue, but I do have a blueberry, a grape and an indigo. (I thought the grape was blueberry and the blueberry was bondi... no wonder that "blueberry" looked so purple to me!) I'm actually quite pleased about this, because while having an original bondi would be nice, I want a complete set of fruit colors more. Now I'm only missing strawberry.

 

I have matching keyboards and mice for blueberry, grape, lime and tangerine. I also have an extra blueberry mouse/keyboard set and a random grape keyboard/blueberry mouse set. Like I said, I'm pretty sure the guy who sold them to me was also very confused. :)

 

I originally thought I was missing "matching" accessories for the ruby, but now I realize that the indigo and the ruby both would have shipped with the white keyboards and mice, so I'll have to pick up a couple sets of those sometime if I really care about authentic period accessories.

 

So far:

 

400 Mhz Indigo (slot)

400 Mhz Ruby (slot)

266 Mhz grape (tray)

350 Mhz blueberry (slot)

 

Haven't fired up the lime and the tangerine yet, but since they are tray-loading, I'm going to guess they are same generation as the tray loading grape, so probably 266. They can only be 266 or 333 Mhz.

 

Sorry for semi-hijacking this thread - I really should move this into a thread of my own (no good pictures yet). But since the question was asked, I figured I'd answer it.

 

XBHS1997, I'm looking forward to more pictures of your collection in the future.

 

(ETA: Thanks very much for the link to the keyboard video - I was able to confirm from that that both of my blueberry keyboards are in fact blueberry and not bondi, since they have 1999 copyright marks.)

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