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#1 Paralel

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 08:37 PM

I've read of people getting wifi to work on a PB 540c with a Rev C card cage on 7.5+, but never on anything lower than that.

 

Is it possible to get it up and running on 7.1.1? Any limitations anyone can think of that are a major wall as to why it wouldn't work?


Edited by Paralel, 18 August 2014 - 08:38 PM.


#2 Elfen

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:29 PM

I found this forum that discusses various wifi cards for various systems, mostly G3s.

http://forums.whirlp.../archive/222902

 

I was looking for information on my Proxim Wifi (By Farallon -.sic? )card for my OS8 Wallstreet, though this was supposed to run on older System 7 (7.5?) PowerPC Powerbooks. I did used it on my PB 5300ce a few times before the screen decided to go wonky and that is on System 7.6.1. It does 802.11b on the Wallstreet and WEP but not WEP2. This might be an OS Issue and on the card itself. System 7 may not support WEP but I can not verify this (lost the original docs long ago.)


Edited by Elfen, 18 August 2014 - 10:29 PM.

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#3 Elfen

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 10:40 PM

Edit addition - according to this .pdf file for the Proxim it needs System 7.5.5

http://proximtechnic...73skylineqs.pdf


Edited by Elfen, 18 August 2014 - 10:40 PM.

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#4 Paralel

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 12:14 AM

Yep, that's the problem I have run into, they all seem to say 7.5.5 or some such revision. No love for 7.1.1 or 7.1.2.


Edited by Paralel, 19 August 2014 - 12:15 AM.


#5 Elfen

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:45 AM

Keep looking. There is bound to be something out there.

 

I would not be surprised if I moved the Proxim's extensions and control panels from System 7.5.5 and put them in System 7.1 that it would work. The worst it can do is pop up the extension during booting and then put a red "X" on it.


Edited by Elfen, 19 August 2014 - 01:48 AM.

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#6 Paralel

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 01:54 AM

I might end up trying that. My main issue was that the installer failed on earlier version of System 7. I might just install it on a machine with a higher version and then move the files over.



#7 Paralel

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:28 PM

Are any of the software guru's around here willing to look at the last driver version of the WaveLan card that works with System 7 and tell me why it needs System 7.5 and hates System 7.1.2? They even share the same Finder version! I'm betting it's something simple that someone who really knows this stuff could figure out, but it is far beyond me.

 

I'll offer a bounty if it entices anyone to give it a shot

 

Here is a link to the driver on CNET:

 

http://download.cnet...098_4-4839.html


Edited by Paralel, 08 September 2014 - 09:30 PM.


#8 naryasece

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 10:49 PM

Hm might be something low level in the System file then, assuming you're running the highest version of OT available for 7.1.2.

 

I've had some success editing the VERS string of the System file (a copy, of course!) but that was to get IE 5 running on System 7.5.5.

 

If you have the ram space, maybe create a minimal System + drivers on a Ram Disk (which you can always wipe clean if things go bad) and see if editing the version string makes the difference?


Edited by naryasece, 08 September 2014 - 10:50 PM.


#9 naryasece

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 11:04 PM

One more thought...

 

I tried installing the drivers posted above (6.04) in Sheepshaver running 7.5.3. It complained about the PC Card Manager not being installed. Looks like the PC Card Extension installed with 7.5.3 is version 2.0. What gets installed with 7.1.2 and the PCCard cage?

 

http://download.info...are_2.0.sea.bin



#10 Paralel

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 11:06 PM

You have to install 2.0 as well under 7.1.2

 

Ah ha, I think you might have cracked it. That was the mystery error I kept running into that just kept showing up as a bomb on the emulators I was testing on


Edited by Paralel, 08 September 2014 - 11:12 PM.


#11 Paralel

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 11:38 PM

Yep. with PC card extension 2.5 the installer ran without any problem. Looks like its a go. Now just to get a Wi-Fi card to test it with.



#12 Mk.558

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 12:39 AM

I have an ORiNOCO Gold, the Lucent Technologies one. Does that fit the bill?
 

P.S. Not for sale, I need it for my eMate 300 :) But it could be loaned.


Edited by Mk.558, 09 September 2014 - 12:39 AM.

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#13 techknight

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 12:43 AM

I would check on ebay and see if you can pick one up. 

 

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#14 Paralel

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 01:04 AM

The other issue I'm seeing is that the firmware on the card must be at least 6.06 to be Wi-Fi standard compliant (apparently before that they did whatever the hell they felt like), and it most likely isn't (original release is 4.04 and who, besides computer nerds, update their firmware?) and the firmware update can only be run on a windows system, with a PCMCIA slot, a compatible driver installed/running, and then the firmware updater.

 

I might have to send it to someone here that still has an XP system with a PCMCIA slot to run the update for me.


Edited by Paralel, 09 September 2014 - 01:05 AM.


#15 markyb86

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 02:35 AM

I have one of those around if you need a hand (Windows laptop with PCMCIA)



#16 Paralel

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 01:37 PM

I have one of those around if you need a hand (Windows laptop with PCMCIA)

 

Thanks, Marky. It is greatly appreciated. If I can get my hands on the right card that is essentially my only hope of getting it up and running.



#17 Paralel

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:36 AM

I have been able to definitively prove that it is possible to get a 7.1.1 installation on a Powerbook 540c with a Rev C PCMCIA expansion module and an Orinoco Gold Wifi card based on the Lucent chipset running OpenTransport 1.3 to connect to a modern router using DHCP and function flawlessly.

 

So System 7.1.1/Finder 7.1.3 are the lowest known system/finder versions to natively support a Wifi connection.


Edited by Paralel, 14 September 2014 - 12:36 AM.


#18 markyb86

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 12:56 AM

Teriffic! Excellent news. I'm glad it worked out and didn't take much effort after getting the card.



#19 Mk.558

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 03:19 AM

Did you use the "apt6041i.hqx" driver, or something else?

 

This is great. PC Card Extension 2.5 + the driver = PCMCIA under 7.1.1. I'll make note of it in the Guide.


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#20 Paralel

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Posted 14 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

Yes, I used apt6041i.hqx (Driver version 6.0.0), along with an Orinoco Gold card running the Lucent chipset that had been flashed from 8.24 firmware to the 6.04 firmware (so they can apparently be successfully downgraded). Apparently the 6.3 driver version won't work on absolutely anything less than Mac OS 8.5.1. According to the Readme that comes with that driver 6.04 is the minimum firmware needed on a Lucent or Orinoco card in order for it to conform to the 802.11b "Wifi" standard. Apparently firmware before that predates the final 802.11b published standard and is not 100% compatible with equipment running the final standard. It is likely the driver works with higher firmware revisions, such as 6.06, but I haven't tried it yet. I specifically went with 6.04 firmware since that was the only firmware revision mentioned in the driver Readme. I plan to test 6.06 and any other firmware I can find that is of a similar age. I hear that firmware revisions higher than 6.x won't work with 6.0.0 drivers, so I don't plan to test beyond that.

 

Yes, the PC Card Extension 2.5 from Mac OS 7.6 seems to be the key, it allows anything that would normally only work on 7.5+ to work on System 7.1.1 or 7.1.2 without an issue. However, the extension will not work, as far as my limited tested shows, with System 7.1 or lower. It complains "This extension is too new for this Macintosh!" and will refuse to load. I think it needs the scriptable finder of 7.1.1 to work correctly.


Edited by Paralel, 14 September 2014 - 02:43 PM.





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