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XPostFacto

alk

Well-known member
this question was never satifactorily answered.
Which question is that, exactly?

When you're installing OS X on to a 604 mac, how the hell are you supposed to do it? Every time I tried, I get to the installing stage and my 9500 would try to boot from the OS X installer CD, which of course it can't because OS X wont boot up a 9500!Am I missing some vital step here? I do recall following the instructions and they tend to just skip this bit.

Just so you don't think I'm hopeless, the installation worked perfectly on a Powerbook G3/333.
Well, yes, you are missing something. The 9500 cannot boot OS X without assistance. So if you just put the OS X install CD (assuming it's not for Rhapsody or OS X Server 1.x), you can't boot from it. However, if you download XPostFacto, the XPF app places a few files on your hard drive that allow you to bypass the requirement for a G3 on most Macs. You can then boot OS X 10.0.x, 10.1.y, and 10.2.z on your 9500. But XPF is a requirement. For that matter, it is also a requirement for any flavor of OS X on anything prior to a genuine G3 even if you have upgraded to a G3 or G4 processor.

Peace,

Drew

 

Quadraman

Well-known member
Ah, well I guess that would be why it's not working on this 9500 if Panther/Tiger don't work on anything less than a G3? I thought I had heard of 9600s and things like that running the latest versions, but maybe I was wrong, or maybe they had a G3 card and you can do it with that.
You can go farther than 10.2 with a G3 or G4 upgrade card with limitations found on the Xpostfacto site. There comes a point, though, where upgrading an old machine to stay current will cost more than just buying a newer machine. Unless you're the type who wants to do it just to say he did it and cost be damned, then you really should be looking for something newer.

 

tachyon

Member
What version of OS X are you using? Presumably Tiger, seeing as that's the only version that you'd need XPostFacto to install on the 333 MHz PowerBook?
I installed Tiger on the PB333 and I tried installing 10.1 and 10.2 on the 9500. I go through all the steps. Then we need to get some OS X installed on the internal drive, right? How can i run the installer when the installer is an OS X native application?

I just get the broken folder icon when the 9500 tries to boot off the OS X installer CD.

XPostFacto doesn't help to get any OS X executables off the CD on to the 9500's boot drive.

Am I going crazy? Am I supposed to create a special installer CD? Do i have to install OS X over a network or by removing hard drives? I don't understand how to get the OS X 10.1 or 2 non-working operating system on to the 9500 hard drive so that XPostFacto can patch it so it will then boot!

 

iMac600

Well-known member
Afaik, XPostFacto should have an "Install from CD" option when the OS X CD is in the drive from Mac OS Classic. Using this tool should patch the boot drive prior to restarting to the installer.

 

The Macster

Well-known member
The instructions in the first post in the thread should help - just download XPostFacto into OS9, run it, select both the partition that you want to install OS X to and the drive with the install CD in it, then click the button to restart the machine now - that causes it to install some kexts and a special BootX to the partition that you're going to be installing X on, which enable it to boot from the OS X CD.

 

madmax_2069

Well-known member
this instruction on how to is really helpful to someone that don't know what to do.

i found out useing xpostfacto on my Beige G3 AIO to install tiger was not the only thing i had to do. after i got tiger installed i had to do 2 terminal commands cause of my onboard video would freak out when i was doing anything that would make the HDD work hard or use allot of memory.

here is the document that tells you the terminal commands.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25564

after i dod that i rebooted. i am glad i had a Radeon 7000 with a external monitor cause those terminal commands disabled my onboard video. so i went ahead and updated to the newest version of tiger which was 10.4.8 at the time and rebooted. the onboard video was not re enabled and never had it freak out and go black again.

but i have no choice but to use the onboard video (unless i want to do a hack that will allow me to hook the onboard monitor up to the Radeon 7000) but i like having a extended desktop now.

a Beige G3 is a bit more harder to get tiger installed on than any other Mac that i have seen. but now i know what to do to get tiger installed and working properly (as the onboard video hardware is concerned).

i looked in about this mac (apple system profiler) in the extension's and there is a few that xpostfacto install's before it boot's the installer.and a few of them are reporting a error and i will make a post about them and wont post about them here.

one more thing i was wanting to ask is that it seem's thet R.R. (the maker of xpostfacto) is nowhere to be found. the last post ever from him on the xpostfacto forums on OWC is in december 12 2005. it seem's he just stopped bothering with xpostfacto and went to other things. i wonder if there is anyo ther way to see if he is still around

 

fidel

Member
all the info about XPostFacto in one place
-Ensure that you have a few GBs of free hard drive space ...
A minimal install of Panther, for example will fit in ~1.3G, but you'll definitely want more than this, to have room in which to 'turn around' - e.g. do an 'archive and install'.

-If possible, have/use

a separate graphics card installed if you're using a Beige G3 (and possibly earlier Macs too) with Panther or Tiger - the onboard video is
... sometimes

hard to get working and
a dedicated video card

will give better performance in OS X anyway. Graphics cards must be
Mac-specific versions of the card, or cards from PCs that have been flashed for use on a Mac.

-Get a copy of OS X - newer versions of OS X are generally better as they are more optimised so will run faster, so use Panther or Tiger if possible.
However, there are practical limits, and what's pretty isn't always practical: reach higher up the version scale only if your machine is well-tuned and amply fitted out.

...

-Check that your Mac's PRAM battery is working ... see if it has remembered the time/date settings. If it's reverted to a year in the
previous century,

you may be able to avoid problems later on by getting a new battery for it...
 

madmax_2069

Well-known member
i know that tiger on a stock Beige G3 even with Max ram will suffer running it.

now with a faster CPU, a Radeon or radeon 7000 , a faster HDD with new faster rated IDE cables tiger runs real nice. i run it on my AIO in my sig

 

avadondragon

Well-known member
He doesn't draw attention to it but a lot of the machines he's playing with don't officially support OS X. It is nice people are still discovering XPostFacto in 2023. ;)
 
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CC_333

Well-known member
Wow 16 year necro-thread...
Wow, indeed!

Tiger was the latest and greatest Mac OS X on July 8, 2007 (Leopard would've been released a few months later, on October 26, although Tiger got another year or two of support after that). As late as November 2010, I was able to use my then new-to-me Pismo like a modern (for 2010) machine.

Of course, by 2013 or so, the party was over, and the thing was running on fumes pretty much (a G4 could've extended its run to 2014 or maybe even 2015, but by then, even early Intel Macs were starting to struggle, so it didn't make much sense). The only thing that kept it going was TenFourFox, and even that was getting iffy, as by necessity, to support the modern internet, it became increasingly heavy, to the point that it barely ran at all on G3s, and was barely adequate on all but the fastest G4s.

Nowadays, 10 years later, it's hopelessly outdated and barely works on anything even remotely modern. Ironically, it's not because it'd run internet things much slower than it would have in 2013 (provided one can shoehorn in a browser that can still handle enough modern JavaScript, CSS and HTML 5 to render most pages mostly properly), it's that modern encryption has basically locked it out.

Oh, well.

c
 
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