Will a iBook 9.2.2 disk do a full install to a B&W G3?

[mraroid]

Hello...
 
I have a apple branded 9.2.1 CD.  I am looking for a 9.2.2 CD.  Will a 9.2.2 CD made for the iBook, install everything I need for my Blue & White G3 tower?  If not, I can go back to what I have been doing. I have been installing 9.2.1 from my Apple OS 9 CD, and then down loading the update to make it 9.2.2.
 
Thanks
 
mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I can't believe I have stumped everyone.....

I can buy the iBook 9.2.2 CD and see what happens I guess.

mraroid

 

[Cory5412]

It should, but: How many times have I linked you to the download of the 2003 eMac CD image? That's the one. Get that image. It's GAURANTEED to work on every single OS9-capable system, short of (and it might work, I've just never tested it) the 2003 OS9-booting re-release of the MDD PowerMac G4.

If you need, and you can hold on a couple minutes, I can get out my TIBook and burn the toast image to CD and reimage it with a modern Mac so you have something you can burn with infrarec or imgburn on a Windows computer.

 

[Cory5412]

Downloading now. It's a little bit round-about since, ironically, for as much on macgarden is in modern-compatible formats, these particular things are in either dc6 or toast format so I have to burn the disc with my powerbook g4 then reimage it with a modern machine, to provide an ISO that'll should burn in infrarecorder or imgburn on a windows PC.

 

[Cory5412]

One more housekeeping note:

Generally, most of the "gray label" Mac install discs are set up to only install onto particular machines. I believe this is actually primarily true for OS X CDs, but there's a couple situations even then where the disc only knows so much about the machine it "says" it's for.

The eMac 03 CD is a gray label CD but as I've noted, it's what I personally use on all of my Macs. I don't personally know what the status is on the iBook CDs, which is in large part why I don't recommend them. If they do work on other machines, it's likely they'll work on your beige, but, not, say, a later G4 (especially a QS'02). Someone whose got one might know, but I suspect most people are in the habit of using either the emac'03 CD, using 9.2.1+patches, or one of the unofficial "universal" 9.2.2 CDs.

 

[mraroid]

It should, but: How many times have I linked you to the download of the 2003 eMac CD image? That's the one. Get that image. It's GAURANTEED to work on every single OS9-capable system, short of (and it might work, I've just never tested it) the 2003 OS9-booting re-release of the MDD PowerMac G4.

Cory.....
 
I often do not do a very good job of explaining my self.  I see that I have failed again.  Let me give it another go.....
 
I have a good source for the full install of 9.2.2   I have a apple branded 9.2.1 CD and I have a update file that I down loaded that I use to update 9.2.1 to 9.2.2.  The update file is quite small and it installs quickly.  All is well.  I am a happy camper because I have a great source for 9.2.2.
 
What I am looking for, is a apple branded CD (or DVD) of 9.2.2.  I like apple branded CDs, DVDs and floppies.  I installed OS 7 onto my Mystic from a home made CD.  But I still searched and finally bought a Apple branded set of original floppy disks for the Color Classic.  Call me stupid, call me crazy, but i like to buy Apple branded operating systems. 
 
What I am looking for now, is a apple branded CD or DVD of 9.2.2.  All I could find is a version made for the iBook.  The question I asked is this CD a full version of 9.2.2 or is it a version of 9.2.2 that is tailor made for the iBook?
 
If someone could answer that question for me, that would be great.  If no one here can answer the question, then I will buy it and test it out on my B&W.
 
I apologize again for not being as clear as I could have been.  I will try harder to explain my self better in the future.
 
mraroid

 

[Cory5412]

By "Apple branded" - do you mean pressed?

if so, I still recommend finding the eMac 2003 CD.

If by "Apple Branded" you mean that Apple officially made it, then, the eMac 2003 CD also fits that bill. Unfortunately, in about five minutes of casually searching, I can't find an eMac 2003 CD on eBay, but if you're looking, that's the one I would get.

 

[mraroid]

By "Apple branded" - do you mean pressed?

Uh, I guess.  I am looking for a CD or a DVD made by Apple.

if so, I still recommend finding the eMac 2003 CD.

If by "Apple Branded" you mean that Apple officially made it, then, the eMac 2003 CD also fits that bill. Unfortunately, in about five minutes of casually searching, I can't find an eMac 2003 CD on eBay, but if you're looking, that's the one I would get.

OK.  I will start searching.  Thanks again for the help.

mraroid

 

[Cory5412]

By "pressed" what I mean is, original apple-logo disc, not a CD-r made from an ISO image downloaded off the Internet.

There are two senses of legit Apple CDs. One is that a CD can be an actual verifiable copy of a real CD that Apple actually made (*the eMac CD, as compared with some of the other "universal" 9.2.2 installers) or one can be an actual pressed retail or OEM CD.

The latter type would, of course, generally meet both criteria, because nobody's gonna get a pressed run of an unofficial CD made. Though, hypothetically, that's possible, it's just, difficult.

 

[Gorgonops]

What Cory was trying to explain is that the restore CDs that shipped with Apple machines (IE, has a specific name like "iBook" on it) are usually locked to only install on a machine with the same system identifier; on other machines the installer will tell you to drop dead if you try to run it. The reason that eMac restore CD is so often mentioned as the "right one" to buy is for some reason Apple skipped locking it down, probably because they figured it was an unnecessary hassle to impose on machines sold almost exclusively to schools.

(Note that on some of the locked CDs there are workarounds you can do to install anyway; for instance, on some of them it's possible to manually open the not-particularly-well-hidden disk image that has the restore contents and just drag it all to your freshly formatted hard disk.)

As to whether the OS off a restore CD will work on a different machine, with few exceptions the answer is "yes" as long as the machine you install on is older than what the CD is for. The reason there exists the "older than" proviso is Apple actually used to have to release "stealth" version bumps to accommodate new machines introduced in the gap between official OS updates. This is why the very last OS 9 Macs can be difficult to restore the OS to because they *do* need a "special" build of 9.2.2 that has some tiny changes compared to the 9.2.2 you'd get from installing from a 9.2.1 retail disk (I *think* 9.2.1 was the last universal retail disk, but don't quote me on that.) and applying the 9.2.2 update packages. (Which you can't do on these machines anyway because they can't boot the retail disk.) However,  that doesn't apply in reverse; these "special" versions generally are fine running on older hardware.

The one exception I know of Re: special versions: I had a sleeve of old restore disks I tried on my B&W years ago, and I discovered that the special version of OS 9.0.something on the Cube restore disk had broken audio drivers on the B&W. 9.0.something from an AGP G4 tower worked fine, though. I assume it had to do with the cube having unique USB speakers.

 

[MOS8_030]

I have an original 9.2.2 install disk for the TiBook (PowerBook G4 CD Ver. 1.2 Circa 2002) that worked with any system that supported 9.2.2 back in the day.

I used it on most every model including iBooks, B&W G3's, ST & QS G4's etc.

Iirc, it was about the last stand-alone OS 9.2.2 install CD that I remember before "Classic" was introduced.

 

[Gorgonops]

I have an original 9.2.2 install disk for the TiBook (PowerBook G4 CD Ver. 1.2 Circa 2002) that worked with any system that supported 9.2.2 back in the day.

So, there's another example of an unlocked disk.

I never really understood myself why Apple was so schizophrenic about locking or not locking those disks. There really is no way to tell whether you're going to run into an installation block or not on a given disk until you try it. (Or someone else has.)

So far as I'm aware the really notorious outlier when it comes to getting OS 9 on it is the 2003 MDD G4 tower, the model that was introduced/slash/downgraded solely to act as a backwards compatible option for businesses that still needed direct OS 9 boot. It didn't ship with an OS 9-booting restore CD, the *only* way out of the box to get its special version of 9.2.2 was to install the OS X-based restore disk and install the optional OS 9 classic/boot package from there. The *only* OS 9 CDs that will directly boot on this model are the unofficial ones.

Another minor tidbit: even the ancient B&W will boot from the versions of OS X Tiger used on the restore disks shipped with the last PowerPC Macs (like, say, a 2005 PowerBook) if you image said OS onto a compatible hard disk. The interesting thing you'll find is they will *also* be able to boot into OS 9 if you have "Classic" installed. However, the "Classic Only" version of OS 9 that's included with the later OS X-only machines *is* badly broken if you boot directly into it; various control panels, etc, are borked. This borked version of 9 still identifies itself as 9.2.2, so strictly speaking there are a *lot* of bizarre variants of the OS in circulation.

 

[Gorgonops]

... in any case, ultimately there's really no reason to seek out a 9.2.2 CD for a B&W, 9.2.1 plus the update will do everything it needs. Unless you plan to be reinstalling the OS every other day.

 

[mraroid]

Thanks to everyone for the CD/DVD suggestions.  I will keep an eye out.  I did suspect that many of the CDs I saw were machine specific.  I know which ones to look for now.

Thanks again.

mraroid

 

[Cory5412]

I have an original 9.2.2 install disk for the TiBook (PowerBook G4 CD Ver. 1.2 Circa 2002) that worked with any system that supported 9.2.2 back in the day.

I'm curious as to which machine this came with, because my TiBook@1000 did not come with a dedicated OS9 CD, instead on the "extras" DVD, along with faxstf and the screenshot program, there was an "install classic mode" package.

I originally acquired the eMac CD I've been using just under 7 years ago in the previous attempt to get another TiBook running.

So far as I'm aware the really notorious outlier when it comes to getting OS 9 on it is the 2003 MDD G4 tower, the model that was introduced/slash/downgraded solely to act as a backwards compatible option for businesses that still needed direct OS 9 boot. It didn't ship with an OS 9-booting restore CD, the *only* way out of the box to get its special version of 9.2.2 was to install the OS X-based restore disk and install the optional OS 9 classic/boot package from there. The *only* OS 9 CDs that will directly boot on this model are the unofficial ones.

The 867/1000 TiBooks are, to my experience (and: I had one close to brand new, it was a display model). The eMac 2003 installs directly onto that and everything works.

The next most troublesome machine to put 9 on is the Quicksilver "2002" - which had some revised Ethernet hardware which required newer drivers. The eMac 2003 CD works on that machine as well. As far as I know, a TiBook install CD wouldn't have worked on that machine, but I don't have such a disc on hand.

EDIT: if the CD you have is truly from a TiBook 867/1000, which was introduced in November 2002, it will probably run the QS'02's ethernet fine. It might even run the 2002 variant of the MDD. The QS'02 was introduced January 2002.

I would love to see it tested whether the MDD'02 and "XPress Edition" MDD'03 (OS9/2002 reissue) will run with the eMac'03 CD. If anyone has one of those machines and the wherewithal to give it a go, please try and report back!

 

[MOS8_030]

I'm curious as to which machine this came with, because my TiBook@1000 did not come with a dedicated OS9 CD, instead on the "extras" DVD, along with faxstf and the screenshot program, there was an "install classic mode" package.

I don't remember which TiBook it came with. I got it when I was doing IT at Motorola. (2000-05)

The newest files on the disk are dated April 19 2002.

(I guess that would make it for a 667 MHz or 800 MHz machine, based on their release date.)

The read me says Mac OS 9.2 but the disk installs 9.2.2 (And says 9.2.2 on the disk)

I have an earlier PowerMac G4 CD that is Ver. 1.0 that says 9.2 on the disk. The files are dated June 21 2001.

I labeled that disk "most systems" back in the day, as it installed the OS on "most" systems.

 

[Cory5412]

I labeled that disk "most systems" back in the day, as it installed the OS on "most" systems.

In any specific case, if someone has such a disc that works, yay!

For my part, the reason I'm recommending the eMac CD specifically is because if you are going to go on ebay and pay money for a 20-year-old CD, it may as well be the best possible version of that CD, and the eMac 2003 is that one. Similarly, if you're going to go through the trouble of dealing with all the shenanigans involving burning a bootable Mac OS 9 CD (and, I have confirmed the one on MG is the correct disc, which is annoying because they are labeled with both 691- numbers and 693- numbers, which relates to something I was discussing with @defor at some point) but I haven't gotten it to burn-and-boot yet.

I'll get out a CD-RW and have at it at some point this coming week but my weekend time and energy is rapidly drawing to a close.

 

[CC_333]

I have a TiBook, which started life originally as an 867 MHz model, but was subsequently upgraded to 1 GHz via logic board swap.

When I got it, it's *original* disk were provided, except they no longer work because they were meant for 867 MHz models; the 1 GHz models must've used a separate set of disks?

I don't understand why the two have to be mutually exclusive, especially since virtually ever source I've seen identifies the 1 GHz TiBook as nothing more than a speed-bumped 867 MHz TiBook (in other words, identical save for a slightly faster CPU). The machine identifiers are even the same, so why don't the 867 MHz disks work on a 1 GHz machine?

So, I can attest to this bizarre, illogical, and sometimes locked, sometimes not strategy Apple seemed to have at the time.

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